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[Dude_of_Valor]

On Xbox 1 Warden seems fine to me. If opponent can counter the SB then don't use it or be creative with it.

As for being a turtle well Warden can be great at both offence and defence and I think he is best suited when you change styles throughout the match. He is listed as being adaptable and that is what he does best.

[Kaijudub]

On Xbox 1 Warden seems fine to me. If opponent can counter the SB then don't use it or be creative with it.

I wasn't asking for a git gud response but should've expected it.

High level players have always countered the sb.. This nerf was so new players didn't get abused, imo.

What I'm saying is the cancel has removed a string from his already pretty predictable and limited offence.

I very rarely face people that top attack me, that rules out CC. You might bait it a couple times in a set if lucky but it's most common in mirror matches where top light is the main way in for both parties. Awesome.

I personally believe he was fine, especially with the recent buffs to kensei and raider + the introduction of cent and shin.

People keep calling him top 5, can you please point me to the numerous tournaments won by wardens??

[Antonioj26]

I wasn't asking for a git gud response but should've expected it.

High level players have always countered the sb.. This nerf was so new players didn't get abused, imo.

What I'm saying is the cancel has removed a string from his already pretty predictable and limited offence.

I very rarely face people that top attack me, that rules out CC. You might bait it a couple times in a set if lucky but it's most common in mirror matches where top light is the main way in for both parties. Awesome.

I personally believe he was fine, especially with the recent buffs to kensei and raider + the introduction of cent and shin.

People keep calling him top 5, can you please point me to the numerous tournaments won by wardens??

Can't find the results for recent tournaments but they've always had a good showing since the beginning. The last tournament I watched two weeks ago the guy playing was warlord and fought 4 wardens and 2 shins. The abundance of wardens in tournies isn't a coincidence.

[DraxeI]

I don't play the Warden myself, but I have at least a couple hundred rounds worth of duel rounds versus a Warden friend of mine between launch and now.
It's quite sad to see the Warden's evolution, or rather devolution and current state.

There was certainly an issue with the shoulder-bash before the nerfs in that very skilled players could react on the reaction of the opponent and shift the 50/50 into something more akin to a 10/90 for the Warden with little punish if the Warden messed up.The best option you had at that point was to dodge roll out of it, but the fight would still revolve around that threat.

After the latest nerf this has shifted almost entirely in my favour, as the Orochi at the very least.
The Warden must cancel or guardbreak so early that I can wait a split second and actually read if it's going to be a cancel or if the Warden is going through with it.
And even if I mess up, the stamina cost imposed on the shoulder bash makes it so that the Warden can only do this a couple of times before having to back off anyways.

This sort of takes the shoulder-bash out of the Warden's viable options, and then what is the Warden left with?
A quick but predictable top light that will get parried? A zone attack that is predictable and reactable as well as being unsafe on block?
The Warden's other attacks are simply too slow to be viable versus anyone who has grasped parrying. And the feints are too telegraphed for anyone who's grasped feints.


I don't think the shoulder-bash should necessarily be brought up to where it was, but should rather have a more prominent role as a mix up option molded into a more fleshed out offensive kit for the Warden. Side lights, heavies and the like needs to be made more viable either via adjustments to speed and/or perhaps addition of uninterruptible status to certain attacks.

That's my take on it at the very least. Thank you.

[tokyoto88]

Another tragic wrong turn in this games development.
Warden is one of three vanguard heroes in FH and has been consistently devalued in each version since release. IMHO vanguard heroes should exhibit simplicity and versatility to fulfill their remit as forward/adaptable openers within the game. The crybaby denigration of the Warden GB/SC move has reduced this heroes already limited set to near trash and negated one of the prime movesets capable of countering the turtle meta, which everyone professes to hate.
Warden is currently left with areasonably fast light and the possibility of 1/3 with a skill penalty of counterstrike.
In conjunction with the ludicrous stamina/recovery levels of the current character this amounts to the weakest vanguard hero. Try the others if you are in doubt.

[Antonioj26]

Another tragic wrong turn in this games development.
Warden is one of three vanguard heroes in FH and has been consistently devalued in each version since release. IMHO vanguard heroes should exhibit simplicity and versatility to fulfill their remit as forward/adaptable openers within the game. The crybaby denigration of the Warden GB/SC move has reduced this heroes already limited set to near trash and negated one of the prime movesets capable of countering the turtle meta, which everyone professes to hate.
Warden is currently left with areasonably fast light and the possibility of 1/3 with a skill penalty of counterstrike.
In conjunction with the ludicrous stamina/recovery levels of the current character this amounts to the weakest vanguard hero. Try the others if you are in doubt.

Lol my god this is ridiculously over exaggerated. This is almost on the same salt level as the PK community after she was nerfed.

[tokyoto88]

Thanks Antonioj26

"ridiculously over exaggerated"....I think that's you that's doing that.
We usually find one superlative sufficient.

Besides calling on God for a forum post reaction doesn't constitute a "ridiculous over exaggeration" ....does it?

BTW "salt level" isn't even English.

We usually try mastering that before attempting intelligent discourse.

Deus Vult.

[Antonioj26]

Thanks Antonioj26

"ridiculously over exaggerated"....I think that's you that's doing that.
We usually find one superlative sufficient.

Besides calling on God for a forum post reaction doesn't constitute a "ridiculous over exaggeration" ....does it?

BTW "salt level" isn't even English.

We usually try mastering that before attempting intelligent discourse.

Deus Vult.

I was trying to be a bit nice but basically what I was saying is you are being a giant cry baby. Warden is still great and in better shape than most of the cast. Stop whining.

[Trbevis]

Warden is fine, i enjoy playing warden from time to time, but mainly because i like how he looks haha get completly rid of the ability to vortex that shoulder bash and double light together repeatedly and hed be a loy fairer, anyone doing that is crap at for honor anyway as hes a solid hero and doesnt even need to be doing that. I never do it and am pretty successful with him.

[tokyoto88]

Thanks Antonioj26

In what way were you trying to be a bit nice?

In what way am I being a "giant cry baby" for stating my opinion?

In what way is your opinion that "warden is in better shape than most of the cast" more valid than mine?

In what way do you think you are able to tell me to stop whining?

Trust me, I don't whine..and I don't do being bullied.
If you carry on issuing me instructions for stating my opinion in an open forum, I'll report you for griefing.

Mine was an open post and was not inviting your ad hominem reply.