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[Antonioj26]

he is op even in duel .one mistake and you lost the whole round , 90% health gone, no stamina remain and no possibility to regen your stamina .If the centurion you playing with has a minimum blocking and parrying skill your done in 15 second.
I do believe i am a decent player but i cant do nothing against the centurion even if i am more and more getting to know his moveset.
he have the crushing counter on parrying that get him going
he have a feint heavy into a gb ,if the gb success he get going with is insane unblockable unreactable combo.
If you parry his unblockable and drain his stamina he doesn't fall on his back.

I simply refuse to fight him .I just had my first match of the day with this centurion ,and i ragequit willing to get that 10 minute penalty.Now im done with this centurion , everytime i will meet one i will use the 30 second granted to leave.
sorry but today is the day i have enough.Who seriously want to fight one sided battle with no mistake opportunity ?

This is what I mean when it's hyperbole when people talk about cent. Unless you are shin you do not lose 90% of your Heath.

The most damage he can do is 75 from a light parry with a relatively new tech that was just discovered. Some claim it's 85 but I've yet to see any videos that prove that, I've tested it myself and got 75 each time. Before that it was 60 damage. Yes that's a lot, way more than it should be either way but that's not 90% of anyone's health. You can get your stamina back though, yes it can be tough against cent but when you are focused strictly on defending yourself centurion can easily be kept at arms length long enough for you to get it back.

Yes he needs adjustments but we don't need to be making up stuff or exaggerating. It does no good.

[SirCorrino]

We know that there is a difference between how strong Centurion is in 1v1 and how strong he is in 4v4. We are looking at changes to him for a future patch, but were are trying to ensure that these changes will address the primary concerns with his 4v4 power and not leave him lifeless in 1v1.

It's commendable that you try this, Jurassic. But unless you have a fix coming in the next few days, the time for that is past and you simply have to bite the bullet and nerf him even if that leaves him weak in 1v1. His 1v1 viability just isn't worth the effect he is having on 4v4 in his current state. He needs to be nerfed now, not in a few weeks. You've had a month to figure this out, if you haven't done it yet you're not going to. So just nerf him and then buff him back up to playable later via incremental changes.

He honestly should not have been released like this. I'm not sure if your internal testers are just bad at their job, or if their feedback wasn't listened to by those they report to, but the state he was released in is inexcusable. And the time you have taken to fix him just as much. The time to nerf him was two weeks ago, not in 2 weeks.

[Pasan90]

The game has taken a turn for the worse after season 2. And centurion and shinobi being so out of touch with the rest of the cast is a big reason for that. I can have a fantastic mindgame fight vs a high level warden and then que up for another duel and go vs a centurion and its just terrible. Even if i win its no fun at all and what makes for honor fun as a fighting game is gone.

Also how will getting rid of free gb after parry solve the turtle meta? People will just block more instead of going for parries. Feinting is what makes the game interesting. (And of course, feinting vs a centurion is not a great strategy as his heavy attack hits you before you can capitalize on the feint half the time. Vs cent you are railroaded into a dodge guessing game where the cent has the advantage.)

[Antonioj26]

The game has taken a turn for the worse after season 2. And centurion and shinobi being so out of touch with the rest of the cast is a big reason for that. I can have a fantastic mindgame fight vs a high level warden and then que up for another duel and go vs a centurion and its just terrible. Even if i win its no fun at all and what makes for honor fun as a fighting game is gone.

Also how will getting rid of free gb after parry solve the turtle meta? People will just block more instead of going for parries. Feinting is what makes the game interesting. (And of course, feinting vs a centurion is not a great strategy as his heavy attack hits you before you can capitalize on the feint half the time. Vs cent you are railroaded into a dodge guessing game where the cent has the advantage.)

You can't win fights by only blocking, the turtle meta is strong because of the rewards vs the risk in parrying. On PC I've heard that it's not uncommon for people to know how to parry 40% of the time for lights. So out of five lights 2 will get parried. If we look at a warden parrying kenseis lights which are a bit stronger than usual the warden will come out on by 20 damage. Kensei will get 60 from 3 lights and warden can get 80 from two light parries.

[brashtralas]

Listen, people, it really doesn't matter if he's overpowered, underpowered, or completely balanced. He has to change, without doubt.

Why?

Because he simply is not fun to fight against. He takes control away from the player(until the opponents death for some heroes), and doing so only takes one mistake from his opponents.

Balance takes a backseat to fun, and its apparent that many do not find fighting him fun. The number of people that leave any time there are more than one centurion in a match is telling.

This is just my opinion, but I believe it happens to be the opinion of the masses, as well.

[AKDagriZ]

This is what I mean when it's hyperbole when people talk about cent. Unless you are shin you do not lose 90% of your Heath.

The most damage he can do is 75 from a light parry with a relatively new tech that was just discovered. Some claim it's 85 but I've yet to see any videos that prove that, I've tested it myself and got 75 each time. Before that it was 60 damage. Yes that's a lot, way more than it should be either way but that's not 90% of anyone's health. You can get your stamina back though, yes it can be tough against cent but when you are focused strictly on defending yourself centurion can easily be kept at arms length long enough for you to get it back.

Yes he needs adjustments but we don't need to be making up stuff or exaggerating. It does no good.

to be honest i don't know how much health he deal.dodging away to try to regen your stam while he try to kick you over and over is not fun.Most centurion are bad regardless and focus on his unreactable attacks ,So yes ,when they meet decent player they got rough up and believe centurion is not that good(he have a small health pool).
What nice with for honor is the sword fighting system iron to iron ,reactable mechanic to almost anything , the mind game etc... It is not the case when you fight with him

Everytime i fight with a centurion ,i make a one mistake and come the blows ,orange flash ,non reactable ...i sit still behind my screen and shout ''here we go...'' take a deep breath and wait for the storm to end.What nice is after he folded you in a can , he walk away ,you'd think its time to counter after that devastating 2-3 second of non sense ,but you are out of stamina ! or if you still have little stamina he is too far.

everytime i ask to myself , i am decent player i know that , what happen to new players or the casual for honor player who try to learn their class and enjoy the game but have to deal with centurion ?
how a new player have the chance to learn his class in a real for honor fight if he have to deal with Centurion ?

[Antonioj26]

to be honest i don't know how much health he deal.dodging away to try to regen your stam while he try to kick you over and over is not fun.Most centurion are bad regardless and focus on his unreactable attacks ,So yes ,when they meet decent player they got rough up and believe centurion is not that good(he have a small health pool).
What nice with for honor is the sword fighting system iron to iron ,reactable mechanic to almost anything , the mind game etc... It is not the case when you fight with him

Everytime i fight with a centurion ,i make a one mistake and come the blows ,orange flash ,non reactable ...i sit still behind my screen and shout ''here we go...'' take a deep breath and wait for the storm to end.What nice is after he folded you in a can , he walk away ,you'd think its time to counter after that devastating 2-3 second of non sense ,but you are out of stamina ! or if you still have little stamina he is too far.

everytime i ask to myself , i am decent player i know that , what happen to new players or the casual for honor player who try to learn their class and enjoy the game but have to deal with centurion ?
how a new player have the chance to learn his class in a real for honor fight if he have to deal with Centurion ?

Yeah this is something I've thought about a lot more often lately. The casual player. I can't imagine facing a centurion being fun to face at all for someone who has little experience, he's completely different than the others and can continue his barrage of attacks with seemingly little repercussions from the average player. While maybe the top 35-25% may have little trouble with him the majority are getting stomped out and changing the game in a way that's unhealthy for the community.

[nufrancis]

God damnit, i never, ever saw at least one constructive post from you. Each time i see your name, i'm expected to read negative and without any arguments thaughts, and each time, it is the case.

You are the perfect example of these kind of people killing games.

That's why his name is Eviler also plus his Avatar. He was born for trolling, but it is fun though to read his reply full of sarcasm comedy.

[Draghmar]

He honestly should not have been released like this. I'm not sure if your internal testers are just bad at their job, or if their feedback wasn't listened to by those they report to, but the state he was released in is inexcusable. And the time you have taken to fix him just as much. The time to nerf him was two weeks ago, not in 2 weeks.

Actually Roman admitted on the live stream that they knew Cent will cause issues. So they knew what to expect and they released even so. Probably because of deadlines.

I must agree that even though Cent is not OP in 1v1 there is no fun in fighting against him. I can win with Cent as much as with other classes but more and more I have this urge to just quit when I see Cent...It is really bad game design to take away control over the character for too long. And he is doing just that.

[Dude_of_Valor]

Whenever I see a Centurion in a duel my initial thought is 'okay here we go again!'

That said I am starting to find reliable ways to beat him, but this is with a Warden or Conqueror and the main way I beat him is dodge into SB.

Trying to exhaust a Centurions stamina is a good way to go about your business but this means you need to be:

a) be good at dodging,
b) have a character that can do something after a dodge
c) play defence

Ultimately though it can be really unfun to play against such a character (and for me the shinobi is the same). It is extremely poor design to have a character with such a wide range of move sets, unblockable attacks and punishes, and ability to take over ones character.

I get this game is a slower fighting game than others, and that playing defence is king (and is what draw me into the game, that it was not button mashing) but Centurion was not the answer.