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We made more immediate changes to shinobi because we saw that there was very little counterplay (across all modes, all skill levels) to a player who chose to spam his kick. Balancing the centurion is a bit more tricky - while he is a scary force in 4v4s, and in multiples, his strength in 1v1s is nowhere near as overpowered. Just nerfing him solely for 4v4s would completely break him in 1v1s and we don't want to do that, so we're weighing all our options.
I know the centurion nerfs can't come soon enough for you all, but I do want you all to know that we hear your feedback on centurion, that there are nerfs that are being worked on, and that they are coming.
Edit: Oops! sorry for the repeat posts. FFFF-FF-orum lll-lll-lagg and all that.
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agree, im happy to see shinobis kick spam got nerfed and i dont even like the hero in whole cuz i dont like the hit and runaway playstyle but i thinkhe needs more HP or stamina now to balance it outOriginally Posted by UbiNoty Go to original postWe made more immediate changes to shinobi because we saw that there was very little counterplay (across all modes, all skill levels) to a player who chose to spam his kick. Balancing the centurion is a bit more tricky - while he is a scary force in 4v4s, and in multiples, his strength in 1v1s is nowhere near as overpowered. Just nerfing him solely for 4v4s would completely break him in 1v1s and we don't want to do that, so we're weighing all our options.
I know the centurion nerfs can't come soon enough for you all, but I do want you all to know that we hear your feedback on centurion, that there are nerfs that are being worked on, and that they are coming.
Edit: Oops! sorry for the repeat posts. FFFF-FF-orum lll-lll-lagg and all that.
im glad you guys are aware that cent isnt that strong in 1v1 but hell in 4v4 mode, he needs that 4v4 mode badly
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ok I hope will arrrive soon, and not a super nerf but the right thing to doOriginally Posted by UbiNoty Go to original postWe made more immediate changes to shinobi because we saw that there was very little counterplay (across all modes, all skill levels) to a player who chose to spam his kick. Balancing the centurion is a bit more tricky - while he is a scary force in 4v4s, and in multiples, his strength in 1v1s is nowhere near as overpowered. Just nerfing him solely for 4v4s would completely break him in 1v1s and we don't want to do that, so we're weighing all our options.
I know the centurion nerfs can't come soon enough for you all, but I do want you all to know that we hear your feedback on centurion, that there are nerfs that are being worked on, and that they are coming.
Edit: Oops! sorry for the repeat posts. FFFF-FF-orum lll-lll-lagg and all that.
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This exactly here. I'm sick of people complaining about Centurion. Yes, he's broken in 4v4 with multiples and CC spam but he's balanced in 1v1's. People scream for nerfs to "balance him" in 4v4, but don't care if those nerfs completely break him in 1v1. They don't even realize they aren't asking for balance, they are asking an imbalanced advantage. They want the dev team to nerf him to balance the 4v4 but don't give a crap about his game in 1v1 because, hey who cares if he's aweful in 1v1. As long as I win against him right?Originally Posted by UbiNoty Go to original postWe made more immediate changes to shinobi because we saw that there was very little counterplay (across all modes, all skill levels) to a player who chose to spam his kick. Balancing the centurion is a bit more tricky - while he is a scary force in 4v4s, and in multiples, his strength in 1v1s is nowhere near as overpowered. Just nerfing him solely for 4v4s would completely break him in 1v1s and we don't want to do that, so we're weighing all our options.
I know the centurion nerfs can't come soon enough for you all, but I do want you all to know that we hear your feedback on centurion, that there are nerfs that are being worked on, and that they are coming.
Edit: Oops! sorry for the repeat posts. FFFF-FF-orum lll-lll-lagg and all that.
What most of you want is the scales tipped the other way. You want to go from loosing a lot in 4v4 and winning decently in 1v1, to, winning decently in 4v4 and always winning in 1v1. That's not how balance works. Stop asking for an imbalance just to suit you and your main.
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Centurion main i guess? :POriginally Posted by SoveriegnKing Go to original post
Sorry but i cannot accept that a champion with 3 openers and by far the largest stamina pool in the game is awful in 1v1. No he's no god-tier but he's above the most of the roster.Good mindgames, can obliterate you from 1 parry can spam his openers all day long with his stamina pool but are a bit slow,telegraphed and punishable.Who would guessed that.
If you compare him with WL or Warden in 1v1 yeah he is not that good. But awful? Awful is Kensei. Awful is Zerker in 1v1. And now he got his buff to in terms of guard change alongside others.
As much problem the guys you described above cause the same amount of problems cause the blind fanboys also.
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Lawbringer/PK main actually. Though honestly I don't have a main. I have half the roster at Rep 4+.Originally Posted by guor6800 Go to original post
He has all those openers to crack the turtle meta, which you all have been complaining about since day one. They gave us a hero that can do that, and what's your reaction? Complaint after complaint. If you actually read my post, I said he's not aweful in 1v1 right now, he's decent. However, you're complaining to get him nerfed so he WOULD BE aweful in 1v1. Let him spam his kick that is telegraphed and easily dodged. If you're getting kicked around like that in a 1v1 then you're just bad at dodging, or have crap reaction times. The guard stance change was universal among all characters with slower change. So freaking sorry it also affected him. Would you have preferred they just left all those other Hero's affected by it still be handicapped? Just for a jab at Centurion?
Does it cause me issues in 4v4 with rolling Centurion gank squads CC spamming me? Yes, it sure as hell does but that's mitigated by the fact I can actually be aware of my surroundings. If I see centurions I know I need to watch out for a kick/GB or be ready to parry an unblockable. You're just mad you can't tunnel vision on whoever is in front of you. Mad you can't ignore the Centurion next to you, just blocking whatever random attack he tosses at you. You want to sit there an tunnel on the guy in front of you taking whatever opening he can give you, while just turtling. That or you're mad you can't sit there and turtle, blocking everything over and over. All while mashing the call for help quick chat over and over to get some help from your team mates. News flash : You couldn't do that with the fat man Shugoki either thanks to the threat of Demon's Embrace. Then again most complained about that too cause, once again, "WAHHH! I can't turtle!"
I'm not a blind fanboi, I'm just not stupid enough to think I'm some special little snowflake. One that should be able to turtle only when it suits me, then whine about the defensive meta when others turtle against me. I've beaten plenty of Centurion squads in 4v4 all because I'm not dumb enough to sit there and try to turtle and tunnel vision on whoever I'm locked onto.
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I agree centurion need a nerf, but a lot of you are over exaggerating about how good he is, I got him to rep 6 and I know first hand how he is to play with and against him. in a 1v1 situation he is definitely mid tier if that, his kick is predictable and if dodged you can punish cent, his follow up jab is punished if missed and the same with his charged jab, charged heavy, he has such a low health pool that if he misses one attack that can be game over. Where he gets overwhelming is when he GB you near a wall thats where he really can become OP, but most player are good at CGB now so really he is not that OP. like I said I have got him to rep 6 and countless times I have been beaten by others in 4v4 and 1v1 all you have to do is try and dodge and parry which is easy with him because the charged attacks come so slow. Now I do agree that in 4v4 his CC is crazy good and in a tank al you have to do is charge a heavy and the jab to the ground that needs to change somehow.
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Everytime people say "his kick is slow and can be easy punished" i have to smile.. like no one of them knows you can follow up the kick (even if it miss) with a heavy attack... so if you doge the kick you cant GB him best you can do is use a light attack cuz his HEAVYS come with 500ms wich is the speed of a ligth attack.. this Hero is completly broken in all gamemodes. With only 1 Parry he can make every other Hero in the game Out Of Stamina and at this point.. it is impossible to punish the centurio for anything. He can spam Kicks / Punches or even Heavys when your are out of Stamina you cant punish at all... and all his kicks and punches will make sure you STAY OOS. Btw he is the best turtle Ingame and the best turtlebreaker... if you wanna fix the Turtlemeta.. dont do it with ONE HERO!!! And for all who still say he is only mid tier in 1on1.. they have never faced him in a small area where every misstake will end in the Wallsplattercombo wich takes what? 95 HP? or got Parryed which takes what? 65 HP? .. so tell me.. how much dmg you get when an Warlord or Warden parrys you? 30? 40? Sounds balanced to me that a Centurio can take 50% HP of each Hero ingame with 1 parry. The funny thing is people who main assassins like PK / Berseker / Shinobi / Orochi.. maybe dont have that much problmes against a centurio cuz they can doge attack or jump easy out of range.. but if you play slow heros centurio is much more a problem.
