Here is why Quit Penalty will backfire | Forums

[guor6800]

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I dictate what's fun or not, and since I'm always right, the game and it's devs, and everyone else who doesn't agree with me are always wrong. If it's not fun for my own tastes, then it means the balance is off, the game's designed poorly, the devs are stupid, and everyone who doesn't agree are all corporate fanbois. No one in their right mind should disagree with my dictation of what should be 'fun'.




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I will attempt the old trick called, "It's not about me.. but a friend told me...". This usually works on simple minded people, and since nobody is going to know that I'm actually talking about myself, people will think I'm totally objective, yeah. Again, I dictate what's fun or not, because only my opinion matters. People must be lying when they say they've got methods to avert certain situations or counter certain classes. They are also totally crazy losers when they say, "I just accept that I made a bad play and move on" -- only crazy losers do that. Since I can't get over stuff that kills me, it must be wrong and not fun. It's the absolute truth.




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Anyone that fights in a way smartly is something called an 'arsehat'. Only the people who fight like idiots so I can easily defeat are honorable and cool players. That's why 4v4 sucks in this game. Nobody plays it easily for me. They all gang up on me and don't respect my superiority. Especially those classes that grow stronger in team fights. So everything that makes people become stronger as a team should be banned. Anything that kills me is 'not fun' and 'broken' by default. Because I said so.

If you wanna gank up go play skirmish. It is designed to do so. In dominion there is meant to have some objectives.Not roam the map as 4 trying to cc-gank everything in my way.

ps.Translation in what language?Yours?

[Dhaleks]

No changes to defense meta ("soon!"), exploits such as spawn ledging are still there (and will stay there, probably), no stability fix (I can only play 2 modes because of the freezes), no nerf to centurion (eventhough he is the main cause of frustration right now)... but a leaver penalty really was more urgent than all that, right?

I have a feeling most of the players looking for fun will definitely leave the game, while the centurions and other toxic players will be the only population left.
I could swear devs are doing their best to actually kill this game...

[Gray360UK]

I also think the Quit Penalty is going to lead to a lot of games where people quit in the first 30 seconds because they don't like the look of the enemy team (or their own team for that matter).

When you consider than you queue for X minutes, spend up to 2 minutes on the character selection screen, then spend another 2 minutes on the VS screen and another minute or so zoning into the game and reaching that first 30 seconds .... that's a hell of a lot of wasted time if half your team quits 25 seconds in and you decude to quit too rather than stay with a 50% Bot team.

Assuming you do stay, bearing in mind there's obviously something wrong with the enemy team that made the others quit at the start, your chances of not getting hammered into ground for 10 minutes are now much less as your team is half bots.

There should be no 30 seconds grace period imho.

[Mia.Nora]

I also think the Quit Penalty is going to lead to a lot of games where people quit in the first 30 seconds because they don't like the look of the enemy team (or their own team for that matter).

When you consider than you queue for X minutes, spend up to 2 minutes on the character selection screen, then spend another 2 minutes on the VS screen and another minute or so zoning into the game and reaching that first 30 seconds .... that's a hell of a lot of wasted time if half your team quits 25 seconds in and you decude to quit too rather than stay with a 50% Bot team.

Assuming you do stay, bearing in mind there's obviously something wrong with the enemy team that made the others quit at the start, your chances of not getting hammered into ground for 10 minutes are now much less as your team is half bots.

There should be no 30 seconds grace period imho.

That's what I meant by saying it will backfire real bad. But when you consider those things;

- Queue with a friend and one of you DC. Happens all the time netcode is sh*t. What do you do?
- Game starts but your camera is stuck in sky. Does not happen too often, but still happens every now and then.
- Half your team DCs before even game start at loading (their avatars in loading screen replaced by bot during loading)
- You are placed in a game that is 0 vs 400+ and your team has bots
- Half your team DCs after game start (not quit, but simply 137 error and out)

Those issues are all faults of the game, so grace period has to be there to cover vs those at the very least.

Also penalty or not, your teammates might quit at start because it is 4 pugs with no prestige/gear vs a 144 premade. What are you gonna do, stay with bots against them? How is it fair that you having penalty that they did this. Even league of legends ranked game has grace period for early surrender without ranking loss if someone ****s over their own team.


But since grace period is there, it will be used in the exact same way I just mentioned. People will look and if they dont want to risk a game with 3 centurions/shinobis on enemy, they will just quit and requeue. Games crashing at first 30sec will be very very common.

[Dhaleks]

Mostly agree with you Mia.Nora, although there is no proof whatsoever that players leaving actually cause the game to freeze.
I experience the exact same stability problems when playing versus AI without matchmaking.

And yet, devs claim that the penalty will improve connection somehow...

[kweassa1]

Mostly agree with you Mia.Nora, although there is no proof whatsoever that players leaving actually cause the game to freeze.
I experience the exact same stability problems when playing versus AI without matchmaking.

And yet, devs claim that the penalty will improve connection somehow...

So sure that you guys are the "most"? LOL

Not to mention the system doesn't have any network connections in the first place when you play a customized game against AI. If it's a vs AI match in any other mode that involves other players, then it's essentially no different from a normal game.

Shows how much you really know to be talking about how net connections work.

[Blasto95]

Remove the 30 second grace period. Add an increasing penalty for quitters. 10 mins is nothing and like everyone has said, people are just quitting within the grace period and crashing games. remove the grace period and all these rage quitters will either leave or man up.

This is not to say that Ubisoft shouldnt fix their connection issues....They shoud, but thats been the case since release. Id rather a fix now, then next year or never.

[Dhaleks]

So sure that you guys are the "most"? LOL

"Mostly agree" isn't the same as "most people agree".
Shows how much you really know about syntax.

[rossato2109]

Speaking for what I have witnessed from the quiters in game, as well as when I quit myself, it goes like that;

Match starts, and people stay around even if enemy team has 2 centurions + some shinobi. After their pattern get clear whether they are a roam squad, or whether they actually play to objectives, people quit or stay.

If they see shinobi doing nothing but run around for offscreen GB, or onicharge 2.0, or if they see Centurions running away from any 1v1 like a plague.. Well people say "im not dealing with this ****" and quit.

But if enemy play to cap and hold objectives without shying away from 1v1s, even if they happen to have DLC chars, people dont mind and stay.

That means half of the games still get going without being effected from ragequit.


That being said, now there will be no opportunity to know whether they are cheapasses or actually want to play the game, so the moment I see 2 or more DLC on enemy team I just wont take the risk and quit at grace period, so will many others. So majority of games will crash at thefirst 30 seconds. Even if they survive the replacement guy will look that he is put in a lopsided game and quit, and eventually that game will crash.

So get prepared for back to back games crashing at first 30 seconds.

So true. Lets say you see the other team and quit ASAP. New players join in, match already started (and people can rank up points pretty fast in dominion when a team is just leaving). Those new players see the score, leaves too and so forth. I don't understand how this can help, really. Instead of fixing the conection issues ubisoft wants to punish players. The simple fact is, the game should NOT DC PEOPLE WHEN SOMEONE LEAVES OR DROPS. This is the thing. Its hardly a problem to fight alongside bots, specially when your team is annoyed and refuses to fight. I could understand a leaving penalty in a game such MOBAs that do not have a bot system but in here?

[Blasto95]

So true. Lets say you see the other team and quit ASAP. New players join in, match already started (and people can rank up points pretty fast in dominion when a team is just leaving). Those new players see the score, leaves too and so forth. I don't understand how this can help, really. Instead of fixing the conection issues ubisoft wants to punish players. The simple fact is, the game should NOT DC PEOPLE WHEN SOMEONE LEAVES OR DROPS. This is the thing. Its hardly a problem to fight alongside bots, specially when your team is annoyed and refuses to fight. I could understand a leaving penalty in a game such MOBAs that do not have a bot system but in here?

Ya thats great and all, but its been over 4 months now. A fix to these DC's is not going to magically appear. Best case scenario, they release Ranked mode with dedicated servers for Season 3.

Want the game to run better NOW? Remove the 30 second grace period to quit. Dont like the game youre in? Well it lasts less than 15 mins, either quit and wait the 10 mins or try not to let the 15 mins of "torture" kill you slowly.