Looking forward to the shniobi nerfs, but... | Forums

[LightUpTheEyes]

I really hope it doesn't make him super weak. The kick spam is annoying along with his 50/50 (It's worse than wardens and lbs) they may need to increase his health though.

[UbiNoty]

It shouldn't affect his power-level that much. It's mostly to address the endless kick+backflip spam that he could endlessly abuse without much cost.

[LightUpTheEyes]

It shouldn't affect his power-level that much. It's mostly to address the endless kick+backflip spam that he could endlessly abuse without much cost.

Yeah, but that kick is really all he has besides his 50/50 that's getting removed. All his other moves are easily countered. I'm all for the more stamina cost, but they just need to be careful.

[Hormly]

i find shins arent much fun to fight, all i do is stand still, wait for him to WOOSH then throw a light and hope it trades. Besides that theres nothing he can do to me, and the whole thing doesnt feel very intense

[UbiNoty]

Yeah, but that kick is really all he has besides his 50/50 that's getting removed. All his other moves are easily countered. I'm all for the more stamina cost, but they just need to be careful.

We understand that his kick is a big part of his kit, which is why we're being cautious about nerfs and taking it step-by-step. Our intentions with the changes are to make it so players are less able to exploit his kick-spam without cost and to give other heroes a chance when fighting against him. He'll still retain the core power of his kick, it will just be less oppressive.

[bmason1000]

We understand that his kick is a big part of his kit, which is why we're being cautious about nerfs and taking it step-by-step. Our intentions with the changes are to make it so players are less able to exploit his kick-spam without cost and to give other heroes a chance when fighting against him. He'll still retain the core power of his kick, it will just be less oppressive.

What he's saying here is its a step toward balance.

[Vingrask]

Shinobi is already weak and with the patch he will be crushed.

The hero is a noob stomper, but we have a lot in the same category. Against a competent enemy, Shinobi can't do much. His feints are terrible; everything he does is hard punished and all the double dodge finishers can be punished. The players who try look new ways will practice and practice until find something useful, but the majority of Shinobis will start to spam lights, and we can expect a nerf on it.

When you look to his kit, there isn't in fact much to do. If we remove the hard punish against his ranged attacks, things get unfair for the defender. If we buff the ranged attacks, the bad players will full the social media with cries again because they can't defend themselves.

I'm already trying imagine a routine for Shinobi, but I believe he will be much more predictable than Berserker.

Edit: maybe, just maybe, we can add a feint for his ranged attacks.

[Antonioj26]

Shinobi is already weak and with the patch he will be crushed.

The hero is a noob stomper, but we have a lot in the same category. Against a competent enemy, Shinobi can't do much. His feints are terrible; everything he does is hard punished and all the double dodge finishers can be punished. The players who try look new ways will practice and practice until find something useful, but the majority of Shinobis will start to spam lights, and we can expect a nerf on it.

When you look to his kit, there isn't in fact much to do. If we remove the hard punish against his ranged attacks, things get unfair for the defender. If we buff the ranged attacks, the bad players will full the social media with cries again because they can't defend themselves.

I'm already trying imagine a routine for Shinobi, but I believe he will be much more predictable than Berserker.

Edit: maybe, just maybe, we can add a feint for his ranged attacks.

A noob stomper who completely dominated the last tourney. Hes too safe. I dont know what you are talking about hard punished since most of the cast cant punish a whiffed kick into back flip.

[Pain-Seeker]

It shouldn't affect his power-level that much. It's mostly to address the endless kick+backflip spam that he could endlessly abuse without much cost.

Mind telling me how removing his 50/50 wont affect his power lvl ? . Once that is removed he will just join the starring contest with other characters since using a doble dodge to initiate will be totaly useless.

[Pain-Seeker]

It shouldn't affect his power-level that much. It's mostly to address the endless kick+backflip spam that he could endlessly abuse without much cost.

Mind telling me how removing his 50/50 wont affect his power lvl ? . Once that is removed he will just join the starring contest with other characters since using a doble dodge to initiate will be totaly useless.