[Dominion Tactics] This is why your team gets ganked and lose | Forums

[CaynAldan]

It works for larger maps, but small ones are easily roamed in gank. Unfortunately i don't know the exact name in english but samurai bridge being so straight (but i love it) for example and "the shard" I think is in english, are very rpone to roaming gank squads

[kweassa1]

It works for larger maps, but small ones are easily roamed in gank. Unfortunately i don't know the exact name in english but samurai bridge being so straight (but i love it) for example and "the shard" I think is in english, are very rpone to roaming gank squads

That's a very good point. I admit there are some maps which have quite different layout/design which needs to be played differently... for example Sanctuary Bridge, which has a peculiar structure that;s different from other maps.

[Genocide1056]

I'm not trying to rain on your parade - but with only a 50% win rate in dominion matches, how can you begin to explain competitive Dominion strategy? I'll be entirely honest and say that I didn't read your entire original post, as some of the very first points you attempted to make turned me off. I would suggest perhaps asking for feedback on how you could better serve your team, rather then pointing out what "typical" Dominion players are doing wrong. Seeing how you play Nobu and Goki, your two objectives should be Dominating the minion line (by yourself), or camping on your home point (by yourself). I would imagine that if you did either of those things effectively, you would see your overall win rate spike up. Sure, you could have teammates that are lacking - which would make playing Goki on a point challenging in the fact that when your teammates all die, you could get find yourself in a 1v3 on your home point. But as a Nobushi in the minions, you can quite often take over a game just by killing minions mindlessly. And I would also wager that at the skill level that you play the game, most of your competition would not be aware or coordinated enough to beat a Nobu playing in the minions properly. Again, I like the effort you put into this thread, and we need more of that on this site - however I think you would be better served asking for feedback rather then teaching at the moment.

[kweassa1]

I'm not trying to rain on your parade - but with only a 50% win rate in dominion matches, how can you begin to explain competitive Dominion strategy? I'll be entirely honest and say that I didn't read your entire original post, as some of the very first points you attempted to make turned me off.

Fair point, so let's just say my points apply to "average" level of players in the game who enjoy dominion. And then, let's try and think about how many people are "average" or "less than average" in the general demographics of the game.

Judging by your attitude of pointing out scores and stats from the very beginning, I'll just assume that you're quite a confident and well-off player who takes pride in own skill level. Empirically speaking, people who have lower stats hardly tend to "pick a fight" -- so to speak -- against someone by just blurting out with a E-peenish stat/spec comment, I'll just resign my benefit of doubt and assume you are a vastly superior player than the average player in the game.

With that assumption in place, how willing are you to bet that in the normal, average game you queue in solo, you're gonna meet someone at your own level or even higher -- as in, "competitive" -- in the rest 7 players that aren't yourself?

Perhaps you take pride in your skill and ability as one man who would affect the entire outcome of the dominion match -- good for you. But then if you are trying to think in terms of tactics, how realistic is it to assume all the average players in the game will be able to do what you, a "good" player, can do in game?

In this "war", maybe you take pride in your delta-force or Navy SEAL level combat prowess and think that's what it takes to win the battles, but given the odds, the rest of us are just normal army grunts... and we make up 99% of the population.

So I'd dare say, therein lies the validity of my comments. Realistically speaking, I'd bet on teaching the 99% of grunts some basic tactics will lead to overall better results, than expecting to be able to teach those 99% grunts up to 1% special forces levels -- wouldn't you agree?

I would suggest perhaps asking for feedback on how you could better serve your team, rather then pointing out what "typical" Dominion players are doing wrong. Seeing how you play Nobu and Goki, your two objectives should be Dominating the minion line (by yourself), or camping on your home point (by yourself). I would imagine that if you did either of those things effectively, you would see your overall win rate spike up. Sure, you could have teammates that are lacking - which would make playing Goki on a point challenging in the fact that when your teammates all die, you could get find yourself in a 1v3 on your home point. But as a Nobushi in the minions, you can quite often take over a game just by killing minions mindlessly. And I would also wager that at the skill level that you play the game, most of your competition would not be aware or coordinated enough to beat a Nobu playing in the minions properly. Again, I like the effort you put into this thread, and we need more of that on this site - however I think you would be better served asking for feedback rather then teaching at the moment.

Just humour me a bit.

First, despite it is long and tedious, read what I actually did write up above.

And then, whenever you play dominion, and see a huge one-sided situation happening whether be it in your favor or against -- watch what happens. Write it down, since memory can be faulty. And then see if it doesn't match the exact description I've given in the initial posts.

I'll bet you my left nut that around nine times out of ten, when you see either a hopeless loss or a landslie victory for your team, you'll be seeing the exact same thing happening in the exact same manner I've described.

[Haplo_Bane]

Don't worry genocide, you haven't rained on anyones parade. But you have exposed your ignorance and your willingness to let us know it. Between 50-60% are good stats for winning dominion matches. I have a totat rep of 67 and ,unless I've got my crew, the matchmatching will ALWAYS give me the lowest gear players,with a bot usually. AND because I'm known in my region(a very very very small player base) most players gun for me. And now with the teamshuffle turned off? I am stuck with them. And I am very very very good at dominion. My win ratio is slighty over 50%. The only way I could foresee a better result would to be to a) only play with you're premade group or b) ragequit to fudge the stats. Oh yes,don't bother with the ubistats. It is so wrong it's a joke. According to ubistats my most played character is the warden,when it is my least played(only rep 3). Use tracker. I don't know a different company can have more accurate information than the actual company that made the game,but that's ubiSOFT for you. Feel free to check my stats. Xbone Platonic Hater

[Genocide1056]

When playing with all randoms, there are many factors to take in account. As soon as you can, you need to communicate to your team what everyone's role is. If you don't have an Anchor on the team, then you need to be. Picking Goki and sitting on your home for the majority of the game will guaranty that you get all your feats ans should make you a monster at defending your point. You also need to be confident that you can win 1v1 situations on your point. Again, the focus is being the best player you can be, because you cant control what others do, just offer encouragement. Now lets say there is someone on your team that wants to be that Rock to hold down your main point, then you can play Nobu and go farm minions. If you are playing Nobu correctly, you should be damn near impossible to kill while in minions. Between your minion farm and your Heavy player double capping your home point, you should be crushing your opponents in points. If you feel like you are always stuck with crap players, find the few good ones and ask to group up.
When it comes to the players I find myself playing, both with and against - every night I play with the same 50 players. We all know each other because we see each other every day. These players are 80% and above winrate. Every game is a struggle, and its only because people apply proper tactics and use coordinated efforts to win matches. And when there is a two, 4 man premades - those games are even more fun and intense.
Now, realistically speaking - if you are solo qued and you run into one of our premades, the game is over before it began. There's just no way. To dive into scenarios like you have been explaining, if you send all 4 of your guys middle, we will have one person double cap our home point, and use the other 3 to actually beat your 4 in middle. After that we take your home point and ride that out to victory. Thats probably a 3 to 4 minute game.
Any high end player that runs in premades can attest to this. My advise in these situations is to play your best and fill your role, and try to learn as much as you can and ask questions if you can. If you are a good player, stuck on a crap team, make friends with individuals in those premades and maybe you will get an invite to fill a role when someone backs out. Use this to make friends and learn more about the game. If you stand out of a crowd, people will notice. If you play goki really well and we are like wow, it took two of us to bring him down, Im going to remember your name. Maybe we play a couple more games and we keep running into each other. One thing leads to another, I invite you to our discord, you play a few games with us and experience what if feels like to be on the other side. Maybe we play some more games, go on a few dates, get married. Settle down, raise some kids. Grow old together, enjoy our golden years. That sort of thing. But I do enjoy your enthusiasm, so if you are looking to learn and get better I would always be down to help.

[Genocide1056]

And Bane, I'm not exposing my ignorance. Perhaps demonstrating that my definition of good, and your definition of good, are two completely different things.

[Genocide1056]

And for some perspectives on how to play the roles that you play kweassa1, here are some links to friends of mine that play those classes in particular.

https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/Roger.The.Rhino - This would be your Nobu player

https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/Dr.Doomvora - This would be your tank player that sits on home base.

Check yourself out while you are there and compare and contrast. I think as well, the addition of a ranked Dominion game mode will really help with sorting out players into appropriate skill brackets. At least I hope so!

[kweassa1]

Thanks a mighty for the input,

Clearly for your "competitive" level this thread isn't for you. This is for the real players that make up most of the gamers, and suffer crushing one-sided losses or bizarre one-sided victories they quite don't understand... as well as any 1v2, 1v3 scenario means "instant death" -- you know, basically the sort of people that QQ all day long about cents and shinobis in General Discussions.


As I've said, humor me a bit and try just writing down how things go in a purely random/solo PUG match for a bit of a streak, without any people you can even communicate to, much less expect to listen to you in the first place. Basically, the matches you would consider "just full of scrubs" -- and again, I guarantee it will go down EXACTLY the way I say it does. The no.1 contributor to their losses is tunnel vision and the "flocking to closest zone while all the rest zone has befallen to the opponents" syndrome .


I'll just say there are different tactics to fit different situations as well as different skill levels. Perhaps your recommended method will serve much better on those who've long left the skill levels I'm writing down this thread for, but until people actually get to that level I'm pretty confident that most of the players will be operating at this level -- and they really need to get a wider scope of things first.

Just think of it has how people don't teach Little League boys and girls MLB stuff from the start,

[Haplo_Bane]

Genocide....I am 36 on the leaderboard, No 1 in my region. So yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly. My definition of good IS different from yours. Didn't see your name up there champ.