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Stop. Just stop. You're being illogical.
You want to increase the amount of damage that someone does when they strike an ally, and argue that it will make people reconsider their tactics toward better cooperation and thoughtful control of their attack patterns/use of AOE. If you TRULY believe that, you're an idiot. Really. The problem with increasing the damage you do to your allies when you hit them is that it doesn't punish you for your carelessness/thoughtlessness/being a d*ckhead troll, it punishes the people you're wailing on. And how is that right?
Let me put it to you in another way. Let's pretend you have an older brother who hates you for the very fact you were born. Beforehand, mommy and daddy doted upon their only child and showered him with so much love and affection, it turned him into a self-centered little cretin. But now he has to share that affection with the little bundle of joy that is you. And again, he HATES YOU for this. So as you're growing up together, every chance he gets, he likes to knock you down, stomp on your face, and kick you in the head. Mommy happens to catch him in the act one day and you think to yourself, "I'm saved, thank you for stopping him mommy". But does mommy really save you? Does she offer any form of punishment in reprimand or deterrent for future offense? No. Instead of punishing big brother for his dirty deeds, she instead takes him to Footlocker and buys him a nice new set of steel-toed cleats and says "now son, these metal spikey shoes can do ALOT OF SERIOUS DAMAGE to your brother, maybe now you'll think twice before you do it again". Yeah right.
Same concept applies to increasing damage done to your allies. The fact that you might kill your allies IS NOT a deterrent to friendly fire. On the contrary, it just reinforces the behavior because now they get to have fun killing their team mates and their opponents all at once. Because it's fun. Because it's funny. Because they're already stupid a*sholes and you just gave them yet another tool to be game ruining d*ckheads with. If you want my honest opinion, anyone calling for an increase to friendly fire damage are exactly the kind of people WHO WANT THIS JUST TO ABUSE IT. It has nothing to do with wanting to make your opponents think before they act, and everything to do with the fact you just want to be able to friendly kill without having to waste your catapult or get a lucky "accidental" ledge shove.
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I'm not surprised to see a response from you here. You've already established yourself as one of the kind of people who I was referring to at the end of my final paragraph.Originally Posted by nyrue Go to original post
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by "the kind of people" you're referring too I take it that i'm an "idiot" than, no I've thought about this a lot, the added tactical benefits out weigh the trolling possibilities, first off this isn't R6 siege where you can blow up your entire team with a brick of C4, no hero can one shot another unless using feats, and its not just on your attackers to be more careful you can deliberately use your opponents numbers against them, a lot of the moves in this game have tracking so a well timed dodge could yield great benefits to faster heroes such as assassins, you can fight your opponents in chokes points to give yourself an edge or throw your opponent into friendly attacks, and don't get me wrong, do I believe FF will solve the many problems this game has no, do I think it will help yes
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A. No, I said you were one of the people I referenced IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH. Meaning someone who wants it to happen just abuse it.Originally Posted by nyrue Go to original post
B. There have been countless better solutions offered throughout the forums, everything from a conqueror-like deflect to self-inflicted damage when you hit your allies to disabling attacks in whatever direction an ally is standing on (a graying out of the guard-stance direction so it cant be used). There are so many options that can be implemented that don't include punishing the wrong people. But you're so stuck on this "let's increase the damage we do to eachother", it just speaks to how much you REALLY want this to happen, a pretty poignant indicator you're just a garbage *ss troll who wants to friendly kill.
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Your argument of using your opponents against eachother doesn't even have any weight in comparison to other solutions. Using a deflect effect that leaves the spammer wide open to counter attack stops his onslaught and leaves him open to be countered or allow you to fend off the other guy(s). With self-inflicted damage, whenever the opponent hits his ally he brings himself closer to death or kills himself. Either way, in a gank situation, thoughtless actions DO WORK AGAINST EACHOTHER. Without having to punish the people who are being spammed on. Which again, brings us back to the fact you just want to friendly kill. You only want to see a solution that allows people to spam without self-punishment.
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you know I could attack your motives too why you don't want friendly fire I could say things like "you just want to gank with no penalization" but that's not how this is suppose to work, you voice your opinion I voice mine we argue our points respectfully and if we disagree we disagree, but you keep trying provoke some kind of reaction i'm gonna move on now,
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Have you not been paying attention to literally anything I've said? There are solutions that solve BOTH the problem of friendly fire AND gank. Solutions that can be implemented to punish spammers/gankers for THOUGHTLESS ACTIONS that don't include unfairly punishing team mates. That is literally the ONLY point in argument here, finding a solution to punish the right people, and not the wrong ones. It has nothing to do with ganker vs. gankee, and everything to do with spammer troll/moron being punished vs. everybody EXCEPT the spammer troll/moron being punished. Honestly I can't stand gankers or people who feel the need to "help" me when I'm in a 1v1. But even more than that, I REALLY cant stand some moron coming over to "help" me and does so by spamming attacks into my face, knocking me around, and getting me killed. You want to increase friendly fire. Okay what does that do? I'm fighting you honorably in a 1v1 and some d**chebag with an "I have to have all the credit for all the kills" complex comes and interferes in our fight. And your solution is to punish me, the guy fighting honorably, for the actions of this *sshole? Seriously? Because that is literally ALL increasing friendly fire is doing. Punishing everyone except the person being a d**chebag.
