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[Mia.Nora]

In a team based game mode that relies on teamwork and playing the objective a team that does both of those things in order to win doesn't validate anything?


You are essentially saying that Teamwork shouldn't matter in a team based game which is just stupid. Just because one team decides to work together and one team decides not to doesn't make the other team worse lol


By working together for the win a team shows that it worked together for the win rather than relying on the other team to be bad in order to win or relied on a single person to most of the work towards the win. The fact that my team works well together doesn't automatically make us WORSE skillwise than teams that don't.

Premades have tremendous advantages over solo-queuers. By going premade vs pugs, you are practically getting a free clutch to lean on.

At this point;

A. You need that free clutch, meaning you are a bad player
OR
B. You enjoy unfair odds, and that's worse in my opinion since now it is a personality issue.

As long as premade and solo queues are not separate, people have every right to leave a game that's vs a premade. Sadly seeing how incompetent Ubisoft is at anything and everything, they will let premades ruin this game, literally.

Same thing happened in Battleborn, all tha *******es running in premades alienated pugs and now game has 70 something remaining hourly players.

[Ezcendant]

In a team based game mode that relies on teamwork and playing the objective a team that does both of those things in order to win doesn't validate anything?


You are essentially saying that Teamwork shouldn't matter in a team based game which is just stupid. Just because one team decides to work together and one team decides not to doesn't make the other team worse lol


By working together for the win a team shows that it worked together for the win rather than relying on the other team to be bad in order to win or relied on a single person to most of the work towards the win. The fact that my team works well together doesn't automatically make us WORSE skillwise than teams that don't.

Translated;

I'm going to restate what you said but in a different way that completely changes the meaning.

I'm now going to reinterpret what I just said, something that has nothing to do with what you said at all, in a way that makes it sound ridiculous.

Now I'm going to try and justify to myself the wins I get as a premade.

So there's no reason for me to actually reply to what you said since it doesn't involve me at all. You essentially spent the post talking to yourself.

[CoyoteXStarrk]

Premades have tremendous advantages over solo-queuers. By going premade vs pugs, you are practically getting a free clutch to lean on.

At this point;

A. You need that free clutch, meaning you are a bad player
OR
B. You enjoy unfair odds, and that's worse in my opinion since now it is a personality issue.

Or C. I have close friends that I have played games with for YEARS that also play the game and we enjoying playing games together as a way of unwinding and having fun.


I play PLENTY of games by myself since all of our schedules rarely match up, but when they do we usually have an all nighter like we used to in highschool. Just because I play with friends doesn't make me a bad player. I have admitted MANY times now that I don't claim to be MLG pro. I am somewhere in between average and above average. Far from great, but better than most of the casual players who play.

Playing with a team in a team based game mode or using teamwork in a team based game mode does NOT make you a bad player.

Translated;



So there's no reason for me to actually reply to what you said since it doesn't involve me at all. You essentially spent the post talking to yourself.

I was trying to understand what you are trying to say. I play with friends occasionally in a pre-made group because I enjoying playing with friends and using teamwork to win matches in a team based mode.


You made it sound like that make me a bad person or a bad player.


I don't understand why using teamwork is evil.

[Ezcendant]

I was trying to understand what you are trying to say. I play with friends occasionally in a pre-made group because I enjoying playing with friends and using teamwork to win matches in a team based mode.

You made it sound like that make me a bad person or a bad player.

I don't understand why using teamwork is evil.

Teamwork is an integral part of team based games, that goes without saying. It's usually more important than individual skill, as is the case in For Honor.

When your 4 man goes against a non-premade you win. Period. PC players may chat, no idea, but on console outside of ranked modes people rarely use voice with randoms. Hell, I think voice may even be disabled by default. Unless you are beyond awful at the game you should always win as a premade unless you fight another premade.

You enjoying the win is pathetic. There was never any challenge and enjoying the free win, especially since win and loss rewards are the same, is not a good thing.

Saying it validates your ability as a team is also complete bs as I said above.

[CoyoteXStarrk]

You enjoying the win is pathetic.

So enjoying winning is bad.

Saying it validates your ability as a team is also complete bs as I said above.

Winning as a team through teamwork does not validate how well you play together as a team.



Right........



Do you read what you type before you post it?

[CaptainPwnet]

So enjoying winning is bad.



Winning as a team through teamwork does not validate how well you play together as a team.



Right........



Do you read what you type before you post it?

Um he is pretty much 100% correct in this situation man. Playing as a premade vs a pug validates nothing. No matter how well you think you and your team played together it means nothing because your opponents were not able to achieve the same situation to allow for an equal level of potential teamwork that you have with your premade. If you only played other premades then sure, but otherwise your matches should not even be close much less have you losing them. Go ahead and have fun playing with your friends but don't fool yourself into thinking your results in doing so mean anything without separate queues for premades. Even I have fun in premades now and then, it's always more fun to play with friends. But I am well aware the other team is probably not having fun when we win the game in 4-5 minutes and the score is 1100-50. This is an unfair situation that players should not be forced to endure or even be put in in the first place. The damn queue times, character selection and loading times together were longer and likely more enjoyable than the match for them lol.

You may say the pug can communicate with each other all the same and that it's on them but that is not the case at all. You can't even type on console, it is very cumbersome to drop your controller and use your keyboard on PC so that leaves you with voice. Not every casual has a mic and as such will have voice turned off. Not to mention most will have it turned off anyways cause many of those casuals thatd o have mics have ****ty mics that generate nonstop static and background noise. Then there is also the potential for trolling over voice and that is another reason players usually have in game voice turned off.

[CoyoteXStarrk]

I'm sorry guys I swear I am not trolling. I truly just cannot wrap my head around your point of view. I come from games where teamwork is essential and was always the sign of a good team.

[bananaflow2017]

When rankeds are there premades should definately be separated from solo players. There is a big advantage.
In normals it's not that important. Normals are more about just playing than winning at all costs.

[S0Mi_xD]

Um he is pretty much 100% correct in this situation man. Playing as a premade vs a pug validates nothing. No matter how well you think you and your team played together it means nothing because your opponents were not able to achieve the same situation to allow for an equal level of potential teamwork that you have with your premade. If you only played other premades then sure, but otherwise your matches should not even be close much less have you losing them. Go ahead and have fun playing with your friends but don't fool yourself into thinking your results in doing so mean anything without separate queues for premades. Even I have fun in premades now and then, it's always more fun to play with friends. But I am well aware the other team is probably not having fun when we win the game in 4-5 minutes and the score is 1100-50. This is an unfair situation that players should not be forced to endure or even be put in in the first place. The damn queue times, character selection and loading times together were longer and likely more enjoyable than the match for them lol.

You may say the pug can communicate with each other all the same and that it's on them but that is not the case at all. You can't even type on console, it is very cumbersome to drop your controller and use your keyboard on PC so that leaves you with voice. Not every casual has a mic and as such will have voice turned off. Not to mention most will have it turned off anyways cause many of those casuals thatd o have mics have ****ty mics that generate nonstop static and background noise. Then there is also the potential for trolling over voice and that is another reason players usually have in game voice turned off.

Um no? For Honors 4v4s are sure teamplay modes (except extermination, this one is more of an hybrid, because you spawn in a 1v1 situation and can choose to fight 1v1 or run away and help a teammate).
But For Honor 4v4 gameplay doesn't have that much of an advantage from team play like some other games where strategy is more relevant. (Not saying that it makes no difference, sure it does but you can't compare it to LoL or other games that easy.

I play on consol and most of the time i don't need much to communicate, the signals and quick chat is mostly enough but not many ppl are using or reacting to it, that's more of an Ego problem.

If you are against anyone, even if you are with 3 bots against a Pug ( edit: mean premade)you can still get much more that 50 points because it isn't all about killing, its more about taking the objectives.

In skirmish... I can agree more on this point, but still it isn't impossible as long as one or 2 teammates not below the average player skill.


I do understand the issue premade vs pugs but i do not confirm it in For Honor like in other games.

[S0Mi_xD]

When rankeds are there premades should definately be separated from solo players. There is a big advantage.
In normals it's not that important. Normals are more about just playing than winning at all costs.

In ranked i can understand the seperation more