Completely agree with this....Originally Posted by StrayDog_RR Go to original post
The ill thought out loot / upgrade system made these mechanics and the rewards redundant !
At this time we don't know if there have been changes to the hunting & crafting mechanics, so complaints about it are based on nothing as of yet. Even if it is the same I don't care. Once I upgraded all my gear i just stopped hunting the animals down... the rewards aren't redundant when you are no longer incentivized to collect them. At some point collecting hides & meat without reason to has got to be blamed on the user, not the mechanic....
I know right? That sentence bought me back when we were simply asking infos about the map editor since FC4 announcement, we only got the answer when the situation turned hot for gaming medias, and the game was close to the release. "The game isn't for you" the same thing that Hutchinson said, "multiplayer maps were not played a lot so we decided to scrap it and make it sp/coop only" yeah that's because your old colleagues chosen to use matchmaking instead of a server browser! Blame the players for not playing the custom maps because your stupid design decision, don't blame yourself!Originally Posted by usmovers_02 Go to original post
Poor developers they don't do nothing wrong!
I don't share the same opinion, but I respect it. The location feels very countryside imo.However I think both FC3 and 4 nailed the location themes of the franchise and I feel this one does as well. FC locations are exotic and beautiful locations and I think they've continued that trend beautifully here.
Actually the main FC series was always about tropical/forest/desert setting, dealing with the the usual bad guy/s, Far Cry 2 was another story tho.Originally Posted by strigoi1958 Go to original post
Far Cry Primal is a spin off game/expansion, just like Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon. It doesn't belong to the main FC Universe.You may well have based your supposition on seeing the content from earlier games but then you could argue that Primal doesn't belong if we thought FC games were about guns.
No he didn't, one thing is that he speaks about his opinion, and another is that he says that this game is not for me so he had the answer he deserved.Mistados put it very well .... even though you may have taken exception to how he worded his last sentence... wasting time on negativity is pointless. You're entitled to your view, vent if it makes you feel better. Those of us who enjoy FC games for what they are, not for what we think they should be, will still enjoy it.
They could've progressed on survival elements since FC2, too bad they lost their occasion. They removed gun jamming, simplified the gameplay with towers, gave you free weapons, introduced an useless hunting system just for upgrades, an useless backpack for store useless items, money that you couldn't spend because you could get weapons for free. Did they fix those issues with FC4? NO. Copy and paste of the things I mentioned . You've been living in MT, ok. What if the place was underdeveloped? What if it was Kyrat?You thought they would extend the survival elements, but far cry is not a survival game akin to day z or the like, so that was another thing that you wanted that didn't happen so now you're bummed about the game as a whole. having to maintain sleep, hunger & thirst bars or whatever doesn't sound like a lot of fun, i don't know what sort of survival elements you wanted exactly but especially considering that the game is modern and that has been known for a while now the expectation of them in this game should've died with the knowledge of it's setting really... Living in MT i have never been on the brink of death because of not having food to eat, it just doens't make sense in modern america....
My disappointment is not self inflicted, Ubi just disappoints.So if you take stock of everything this game is doing that you don't like and then realize that it's because of your own specific desires I think it should (if you've a modicum of self-awareness & logic) become clear that you're disappointment is self inflicted and that faulting Ubisoft for the direction they've chosen is misguided.
Yeaaah..... sure........At some point collecting hides & meat without reason to has got to be blamed on the user, not the mechanic....
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no comment about that.
-They lost their occasion? Not sure I know what you mean by that.Originally Posted by StrayDog_RR Go to original post
-Gun jamming would be a cool thing to return, but I wouldn't exactly consider that a survival mechanic.
-I don't know how gameplay is simplified by the towers. all that does is reveal points of interest, big deal...
-how is a hunting system useless when in the same sentence you describe it's use, upgrades for your carrying capacity.... WTF? it becomes unfruitful when you complete those upgrades, so then simply stop killing & skinning the animals... why is that an issue?
- Still gotta spend money on ammo, location maps, body armor etc.... having to much money is a problem?
-What if MT was under-developed? Pointless thing to wonder about, because it isn't, that is my point. It is not underdeveloped and so the desire for survival mechanics like hunger & thirst do not make sense in the context of the game's setting. The argument you're making for the feature you want requires the game to change entirely.
If that were true this game would be universally disappointing every single person in this forum which clearly isn't the case. I can only speak for myself on the matter, so I'll share my point of view, because I believe your disappointment is self inflicted. You seem to be basing your acceptance of the game on your own very specific conditions of what is & isn't "Far Cry" to you at a personal level. Is this game exactly what I think would be the ultimate Far Cry experience? No, it isn't. I never for a second suspected they would set the game in my own backyard. One of my thoughts about the franchise was that it would always be set in some far away locale i'd never actually see in person, but was sort of vaguely familiar with, but I am not disappointed in this direction? No, partly because they've subverted that per-conceived notion.Originally Posted by StrayDog_RR Go to original post
All the things you see as "wrong" about this game are your own ideals and the fact that this game does not meet those self-imposed conditions is causing your disappointment, hence being self-inflicted. Thats my perspective and the only reason I have it is because I realized I had the same issue with other games, which is why I try not to have many expectations about a game before I know a bit about it so that I can be more accepting about what it is, rather than reject it for what it isn't.
No response to that? How come? Because it completely invalidates your complaint about it? Why does there absolutely have to be an incentive to hunt and skin animals for the entire length of the game? Why is it a horrible offense or terrible design to make killing animals for resources less beneficial at some point? I'm curious why you believe there should always be a reason to do it, can you explain that to me?Originally Posted by StrayDog_RR Go to original post
No ... if you ask any person who has played far cry games what they are about, none will say they are about tropical, forest/ desert setting (did you forget the mountains and snow in FC4?Originally Posted by StrayDog_RR Go to original post) they will say they are about fighting an evil but likeable bad guy and a big army by improving/ upgrading skills, weapons and equipment to achieve that. the location has nothing to do with the gameplay. You may well have preferred it to be somewhere else but the gameplay will remain... and that is why I buy games, not for leaves or vines or tigers. I know you feel the location is a vital aspect in the game but that is only one of your wishlist of components that you feel are necessary to consider it to be a FC game. When it comes down to any product, video games included.... it is the makers/ developers who decide what makes the product.... the only thing we decide is whether we like and whether we buy it.
If the location is too much of a problem for you then I am sorry that you will miss it, because FC games are awesome regardless of the location.
Mistados said
If you think it looks boring, don't buy it. No game is for everyone.
Correct game devs would love to make a game that everyone loves, but it is never going to happen. It is frustrating when something we like changes and we do not like all the changes, but we should not get hung up on these things, we should either embrace change and accept it as a challenge or just not buy and go to a new product.
There are lots of games that aren't for me, but I don't bash them or the developers, because I recognise objectively that they are good games, enjoyed by many people, just not my cup of tea.
Like Mistados I have bought games that are not right for me, some I have uninstalled after just minutes of playing (MGSV, Mass Effect 3, Borderlands, Elite Dangerous, to name just a few) it does not mean those games are bad (in fact some have been huge successes), it just means they are not right for me. I don't concern myself with them, I just move on to a new game that I do like.
If this game isn't for you, move along.
This part may have got lost in translation. All Mistados was saying is, if you are not going to buy or play the game, you should buy and play a different game. You're entitled to your opinion but this thread will never gain a million supporters that might possibly make Ubisoft sit up and take notice in the future and nothing can change FC5 now. So it will achieve nothing, apart from letting you vent some frustration... and as game players, we have all been annoyed at some time
He didn't say this game was not for you... he said IF this game isn't for you... meaning only you can decide that. I hope you get past this and buy it and really enjoy it.
Originally Posted by StrayDog_RR Go to original post
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Geez, everyone's a game developer these days.
For those whining and moaning about the very little content we know about the game thus far, here's an idea.
Why don't you make your own game? Your perfect game, exactly how YOU want it to be.
You will of course need skilled programmers, artists, modellers, animators, writers..etc
And you will need to pay these people, or you could always learn each of these skills yourself, you will also need a lot of time and commitment and a large investment of your own cash to get the ball rolling, unless you get crowd funding of course, problem with that is that you absolutely need to deliver, or else refund your backers.
Point is, game development is difficult, expensive, stressful and thankless.
Show the developers some respect and at the very least acknowledge the hard work and commitment these people have put into the project.
To see their work being bashed and criticised so early on, by people who haven't even played it yet must be so disheartening.
The reveal of a project is supposed to be a celebratory moment, but based on some of the posts I see I wouldn't be surprised if the Devs dread it.
It's embarrassing, we are all here because we love the virtual worlds these people create, and the fun they afford us, let's show them some appreciation.
Sure this is an open forum, freedom of speech is encouraged, it's nice to talk with like minded people and share our likes and individual dislikes, that's what makes a great community, we can even hope to influence the direction a game may take by way of collective and productive discussion.
But let's never lose sight of the fact that these games are their passion projects, their babies and at the end of the day it is purely theirs to shape as they see fit.
Let's be honest, the developers are best qualified to know what works and what doesn't.
That's why they are professionals in the field of games development, and most of us are not.
A little forethought would be nice, and a bit of encouragement.
I was a huge splinter cell fan, still am, and I enjoyed both Conviction & Blacklist for what they were... Just another case of expectation = disappointment. Splinter Cell games do lead to a great example though, everyone is complaining about FC being the same game re-skinned, copied & pasted etc, yet when they tried to mix things up and make significant changes in Splinter Cell, people were up in arms about it. "not the splinter cell i fell in love with!" and all that... devs can't win. change to much, it's no longer the sequel they wanted, don't change enough, it's the same game with new paint.... They just can't win either way with some people...Originally Posted by Joshhhuaaa-SC Go to original post
Making the game unique and different from the othersOriginally Posted by HorTyS Go to original post
It helps you to care more about your weapons before shooting with no reason-Gun jamming would be a cool thing to return, but I wouldn't exactly consider that a survival mechanic.
Uhm hello? Free weapons anyone?-I don't know how gameplay is simplified by the towers. all that does is reveal points of interest, big deal...
It makes the game empty and gives you no reason to keep playing it, if they didn't patch FC3 on the last minute regarding the outposts it would've been totally EMPTY.-how is a hunting system useless when in the same sentence you describe it's use, upgrades for your carrying capacity.... WTF? it becomes unfruitful when you complete those upgrades, so then simply stop killing & skinning the animals... why is that an issue?
Yes, when you exactly have nothing else to spend them for.- Still gotta spend money on ammo, location maps, body armor etc.... having to much money is a problem?
Theres difference between saying extend and change. Survival mechanics in Far Cry ABSOLUTELY make sense if you want to hunt animals. In Far Cry we never had modern setting apart from this one (FC5) so if you were far from towns some optional survival mechanics wouldn't hurt anyone. Fallout New Vegas had toggable hardcore mode, you could decide to activate survival elements or keep the game normal. IT WOULD HAVE GAVE MORE REPLAYABILITY TO THE GAME.What if MT was under-developed? Pointless thing to wonder about, because it isn't, that is my point. It is not underdeveloped and so the desire for survival mechanics like hunger & thirst do not make sense in the context of the game's setting. The argument you're making for the feature you want requires the game to change entirely.
I speak for myself not for everybody, if you have your own opinion I respect it. But if you want to do the same game over and over again or changing it entirely from what is meant to be, to me is disappointing and doesn't make it a Far Cry game. I gave my thoghts about this game you are not meant to change my opinion because I don't care.If that were true this game would be universally disappointing every single person in this forum which clearly isn't the case. I can only speak for myself on the matter, so I'll share my point of view, because I believe your disappointment is self inflicted. You seem to be basing your acceptance of the game on your own very specific conditions of what is & isn't "Far Cry" to you at a personal level. Is this game exactly what I think would be the ultimate Far Cry experience? No, it isn't. I never for a second suspected they would set the game in my own backyard. One of my thoughts about the franchise was that it would always be set in some far away locale i'd never actually see in person, but was sort of vaguely familiar with, but I am not disappointed in this direction? No, partly because they've subverted that per-conceived notion.
But we are talking about FC now. I've been a Ubi fan since these years , when I said ubi disappoints I was talking about other reason too, but I won't say anything its a long story.
What?No response to that? How come? Because it completely invalidates your complaint about it? Why does there absolutely have to be an incentive to hunt and skin animals for the entire length of the game? Why is it a horrible offense or terrible design to make killing animals for resources less beneficial at some point? I'm curious why you believe there should always be a reason to do it, can you explain that to me?
"Why does there absolutely have to be an incentive to hunt and skin animals for the entire length of the game? "
Then why the **** don't they scrap this **** and make you buy directly equipment upgrade?
No comment because what you said doesn't make any sense.
It's not my fault if the devs doesn't have any creativity or ignore the fedback.
You could hunt animals and actually eat them in order to survive. Thats how it works if you are in a damn underdeveloped and almost-abandoned place.
They copied and pasted that straight in FC4 without any evolution.
I will answer to the other comments, I'm busy now.
I do hope you don't take everything I'm trying to say as an attack. I'm aware that my disagreeing with people can seem hostile but I promise you I am trying to understand your perspective while explaining my own and attempting to encourage others to do the same by seeing another point of view on the topic at hand.Originally Posted by StrayDog_RR Go to original post