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[PanzerShrekonin]

I have a really valid question:

Can Centurion dodge-attack?

Another one:

If it happened with a Warder shoulder, a Warlord headbutt, Conqueror bash or Lawbringer shove, that attack would hit?

Warden yes. Warlord no. Lawbringer yes. Conq... maybe?

You get a free GB on a Lawbringer no doubt.

[slasht14]

Yes you do? If dodge and press square, it forces you into the shove. If you wait, you cant punsih

As i said "No you dont force yourself to shove. you can also gb if you know the timing." if they fix the kick and give us the punish you will be able to dodge and gb bur for now you cant.

[Ezcendant]

I still don't see the issue everyone seems to have. If the shinobi is close gb him during the dodge. If he's at range get ready to trade a heavy with the kick (for most classes). Yeah you'll get hit too by the follow up, but if he does it again he just dies.

[Mia.Nora]

Centurion and Shinobi, both kicks are extremely safe since when missed they dont have recovery.

Vs Centurion you can only side dodge it, back dodge still connects unless he was very far.
After he misses the kick, Centurion can immediately go into Heavy, which comes out pretty fast and beats any attack you attempt unless you have sidestep attack in your kit.
And you cant just block it since, since it would queue to Jab even after blocked.
If you attempt to parry, you window is very small, but then he can charge his heavy so it is purely luck even if you manage to pull of parry direction/timing.

You most certainly can not GB a Centurion after he misses his kick, tested more than enough times.



Vs Shinobi, when he miss the kick, with some sidestep attackers, there is a very small window where you both dodge and hit him.
You can not GB Shinobi after he miss the kick.
You can not hit him unless you has sidestep attack in your kit neither. His lights come out much faster after he miss his kick then yours come after you dodge.
There is a small window where you may sidestep>bash>light as LB/Conq but very small, and can not be performed on reaction you have anticipate and play beforehand. In which case if he doesnt kick but goes into light attacks, you lose since they are just ublockable not uninterruptable like Shiboni's kick.


All in all missed kicks are too safe for both classes. Missing should not be safe as such.

[Antonioj26]

I still don't see the issue everyone seems to have. If the shinobi is close gb him during the dodge. If he's at range get ready to trade a heavy with the kick (for most classes). Yeah you'll get hit too by the follow up, but if he does it again he just dies.

You are playing against crappy shinobis if they are getting hit with a heavy trade. Decent shins will bait the parry

[CaptainPwnet]

You are playing against crappy shinobis if they are getting hit with a heavy trade. Decent shins will bait the parry

Thats a complete guess on both parts. Nothing to do with baiting or anything. Not to mentiuon even if you were to use a light it's still in most characters favor over shinobi. Some characters even have zones that do tons of damage to shin. Not to mention often the shinobi will eat the hit during the dbl dash before the shinobi can even do anything. Also if the shinobi is ****ty for not baiting a parry in your situation then his opponent must also be ****ty for not feinting if he realizes the shinobi did not kick.

[Antonioj26]

Thats a complete guess on both parts. Nothing to do with baiting or anything. Not to mentiuon even if you were to use a light it's still in most characters favor over shinobi. Some characters even have zones that do tons of damage to shin. Not to mention often the shinobi will eat the hit during the dbl dash before the shinobi can even do anything. Also if the shinobi is ****ty for not baiting a parry in your situation then his opponent must also be ****ty for not feinting if he realizes the shinobi did not kick.

How is it a guess to not use your kick when you see an attack indicator? That is if he can feint you mean, could be too late.

[CaptainPwnet]

How is it a guess to not use your kick when you see an attack indicator?

Because the input window for kick isn't that large and also they won't be reacting until they see the dbl dash animation. You will have already committed to the kick by the time you see that indicator otherwise you can't kick. So you are already deciding to bait the parry or kick before you even dash.

Regardless if you agree or not, in your situation as I said it's just as easy for the opponent to feint his attack if the shinobi was to "bait the parry".

[Antonioj26]

Because the input window for kick isn't that large and also they won't be reacting until they see the dbl dash animation. You will have already committed to the kick by the time you see that indicator otherwise you can't kick. So you are already deciding to bait the parry or kick before you even dash.

Regardless if you agree or not, in your situation as I said it's just as easy for the opponent to feint his attack if the shinobi was to "bait the parry".

Unless it's too late to feint

[Ezcendant]

Unless it's too late to feint

With respect, your counter argument is getting ridiculous. You're at the point where you're essentially saying "shinobi kick is op because my shinobi player is so good he can react to literally everything". Not only is that not the case, even for pro players, you aren't considering input timings at all.

You might as well be saying that heavy attack and gb should be removed from the game, after all, everyone always parries/techs them all the time.