Did the new heroes ruin the game even more | Forums

[dekot11]

No, they are revolutionary in which they were designed specifically to eliminate this pathetic turtle meta. Obviously buffs/nerfs can be addressed but these heroes are exactly what this game needs.

People keep saying the new heroes are a counter to the turtle meta but I'm pretty sure these characters were in development before the turtle meta was identified. But even if that were the case, it is an incredibly dumb way to address the meta with just two heroes. Especially when the devs have repeatedly stated that they are working on ways to fix the meta for everybody.

Also,

1) People who defend the new heroes keep saying that they are easily dodged/punished and they have to take risks and they are balanced because of their low health so they die super quick, etc.

2) They have some of the strongest punishes off mistakes their opponents make.

Combine these two facts and what do you get? Centurions and ninjas who play safe and passively... they turtle. So let's stop saying the new heroes are a counter to the turtle meta because that is just laughable.

[Sir_rage_quit]

No, they are revolutionary in which they were designed specifically to eliminate this pathetic turtle meta. Obviously buffs/nerfs can be addressed but these heroes are exactly what this game needs.

the turtle meta was a think in 1v1 or 2v2 not a real problem in 4v4

[dekot11]

I can definitely see where this is coming from (as a previously rep 14 warden) but after playing around with the centurion, I have to respectfully disagree.

Even if the devs had these characters in mind before the identification, it was brought to attention during their development, in which they were able to make adjustments accordingly.

To address the second (valid) point, everyone has the opportunity to play defensively. However these characters have the least incentive too, since the Shinobi has little health and the Centurion is designed more for offensive/mix-up play.

being squishy makes you play safer, not more aggressive

[dekot11]

I can definitely see where this is coming from (as a previously rep 14 warden) but after playing around with the centurion, I have to respectfully disagree.

Even if the devs had these characters in mind before the identification, it was brought to attention during their development, in which they were able to make adjustments accordingly.

To address the second (valid) point, everyone has the opportunity to play defensively. However these characters have the least incentive too, since the Shinobi has little health and the Centurion is designed more for offensive/mix-up play.

having moves that are easily dodged (as centurion mains keep telling us) makes you play safer, not more aggressive.

in either case, better players are turtling with both centurion and shinobi so it's not like this is a hypothetical

[colling1212]

They need sorting out badly. The shinobi is just a joke having a guy going invisible and constantly running away in a fighting game is boring and annoying. Centurion is just a stamina draining arse hole

[Playlanco]

No. Cents are hard in groups (a bit too hard), and 'Nobies kick is an issue (but if you catch them they die fast). Other than that its fine. People only post when they want to complain. If you give half of them a bag of gold they would complain that it was to heavy.

so basically they ruin the game even more....

[DerToSch]

So you're saying that only heroes that have strong defense play offensively... couldn't be further from the truth.

i can't think of an instance where a shinobi/ centurion plays defensively. all i hear people complain about is how offensive they are with the shinobi kick and the centurion cycle.

No need to play defensivly for long. They need one parry and you're getting butchered. At least against a Cent.

[dekot11]

So you're saying that only heroes that have strong defense play offensively... couldn't be further from the truth.

i can't think of an instance where a shinobi/ centurion plays defensively. all i hear people complain about is how offensive they are with the shinobi kick and the centurion cycle.

did I say that?

why is warden top tier? everybody can turtle but warden can turtle while also breaking others turtles.

centurion is the samr eay except he gets so much more by waiting for an enemy to make a mistake.

just keep playing. you'll see good centurions eventually