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Just wanted to give some feedback on Shinobi, and his lack of viability when out numbered. I know people dont like his kick right now, I believe partially because they havent learnt to counter it atm, but I guess time will tell what happens there, and this thread isnt about that...
Also In another thread Ive made I used my own player statistics (Same as my forum name on FH stat tracker) and experience with the class to breakdown why I think the shinobi is actually struggling. Ive nearly hit rep 6 with shinobi, and have learnt it inside out, but my K/D is still half that of my other two mains. Thread here: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...yer-stats-here
Just using this vid I recorded from the "advanced tutorial" as a talking point here:
I think Shinobi honestly nees a buff in some areas, but I think it should be buffed in areas that take a lot of skill, like deflect. Right now Shinobi has a fraction of the health of other assasin heros, yet his deflect is again, a fraction if what the orochi can dish out. (Surely having much less health should grant you more damage, or at least damage on par with orochi?) It is useless atm because;
1) In a 1v1 fight: There is no reason to go for a deflect. It is substantially harder to pull off than a parry (and everyone missies the ocasional parry now and then), and it rewards you with less damage than a parry/ GB. Combine this with a HP that allows you two mistakes (One if you enemy has speccd his gear right) and attempting to deflect for less than one bar of HP is not smart.
2) Group fights is all thats left then. Using my vid as an example; Its already very hard too pull off constant deflects when fighting against two bots who arent feinting, bashing, GB you, stunlocking you, sending out attacks more often or close to the same time & especially the fact that there is no lag or guessing with the timing.
Problem is, using deflect on an opponent from your sides, you dont get any invincibility frames, and even enemy attacks seem to track you as youve done it, and you also cannot react to them untill the animation is done.
It barely works as a viable tool if ive managed to do ~30 deflects back-to-back no mistakes on two training bots in my video. As you can see a lot of the deflects I dont have any invincibility frames, and the other bot can just top heavy me before the deflect+light attacks is over. Considering two hits and im dead, even playing perfect under an optimal (unrealistic) scenario, it is still useless as its just luck if you get hit or not in the animation.
I believe this class NEEDS some proper buffs to the deflect mechanic, and I think buffing deflect is a very fair and skill based way giving him some tools to fight in a group.
In conclusion; I think Shinobi needs 1) his deflect damage buffed considerably to be viable, and 2) NEEDS to have invincibility frames untill the deflect+light is over, so it can be used a sa tool in a group fight.
Thanks for reading, feel free to disagree if you think this is an unfair ask, Cheers.
Edit: Deflect is also broken, it dosent teleport you behind you enemies in a gank. Has happenned a lot but heres a quick clip.
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Buff ? yeah right...no they wont...what they will do is nerf the **** out of his movment maybe take like 30 more hp from hem and make it so you can 1 hit hem with 1 light atack and you WIN ! I relly do hope they listen to all the little kids crying about how op the shinobi is and nerfs hem to the ground so i can finaly uninstal this game coz right now im having fun with the shinobi since i relly wanted a male PK so this is the next best thing....even do i lose ALOT OF GAMES coz the shinobi has such a small hp pool.....raider can 2 shot you....valkiri can stun lock you thill you ir down to maybe 1 hp bar.....berserk can 2 shot you pretty much...and so on....the list is big but who cares just nerf the shinobi he is to top ! please ubisoft just do it !
OHH and how about that great and beautiful BUG that if you use any RANGE atack and the person you try to GB or DAMAGE hits a LIGHT atack or a HEAVY or ANY kind of MOVE the GB/Rage atack just passes by them and they ir fine ??? No one is crying about that now do they ??? They dont care about that ...that is just FINE !
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FYI all deflects are useless, Orochi's only semi-viable deflect is his heavy which anyone can just sidestep and punish imo. Shinobi's deflect is only useful to get yourself out of a corner so you can keep your distance with double dash. Oh if Shinobi gets a health buff he better lose his double dash I think its a fair trade off as you legit cant engage Shinobi at all with it and with a health buff Shinobi can trade damage therefore he wont need to be as mobile.
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That's not a bug you dumbie. Try guard breaking someone that does a light attack as one of the other 13 characters. Notice something? You can't, and just like you can't upclose you can't from far away. Just noobs saying noob things so really nothing new from you.Originally Posted by CV_Eviler Go to original post
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All deflects are useless. This is especially true in the case of Shinobi. He has so little health that it's simply not worth the risk at all. The deflect + light does less damage than a GB into heavy and light. To add to this, the deflect into kick is pointless as well. Why would I do that when it's much safer to parry, GB and then throw my opponent backwards. For me to use this move, Shinobi would need to kick the opponent further away. His deflect is also bugged as it can teleport you off the map.
In 4v4 modes, Shinobi gets absolutely destroyed thanks to how Defence Penetration works. Everyone is basically running around with 0% defence or less with high attack. Shinobi can pretty much be one shot and usually two shot by most heroes. I got hit by a top heavy from Berserker for 75+ damage yesterday, no feats, buffs or anything. My Shinobi is Rep 5 with max gear score just so you know. Add to that his stupidly fast guard decay and it becomes pretty hard to stay alive in 4v4 game modes. One mistake and you're dead, and that to me, is not fun at all. As fun as Shinobi is to play, he just feels really gimmicky to me. With the amount of rage filled posts I've seen lately, Shinobi will undoubtably be nerfed into oblivion.
Lawbringer will forever be my main. Going to continue playing Shinobi for a little while longer before he's nerfed, but as soon as the new executions are released, I'll be back to my Lawbringer. Can't wait to break the necks of all the pesky Peacekeepers I come across.
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Probably the best execution in the game thus far. Incredibly stoked.Originally Posted by Dizzy4213 Go to original post
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really? i tried sidestepping orochis deflect heavy as nobushi, but got stabbed every single time.Originally Posted by L647 Go to original post
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Idk, I found it rather useful honestly. I enjoy fighting close to my opponent with him and bouncing out only before I get hit. The deflect seems to give auto bleed out to your opponent. I agree the window of opportunity is small but as soon as I deflect I backflip guard break for a fair amount of damage to follow. You're not meant to stay there directly after. What I do think is a problem is how punishable every long range move is when parried or cgb. Especially fighting a centurion it is a guaranteed gg as you literally get dragged to the ground and pulled towards them. Hence why I play close and mind my ps and qs when trying to throw in a long range hit.
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Dont fight outnumbered? dude C'mon..Originally Posted by kweassa1917 Go to original postSo don't fight outnumbered.
Why do you suppose they gave the Shib that stealth and that "anime-ninja dash"?
If you're a cornered ninja, you're a bad ninja.
If its as usefull as you think it is, I challenge you to beat a lvl 3 shinobi bot using only Shinobi deflects and upload it here. This is incomparibly easier than actually pulling it off online, like no comparison, as even lvl 3 bots are easy, no lag to deal with etc...
Record that and throw it up here. If you cant do it once, say in 40? attempts, would you concede that it is uselss? Because if its just a useless tool that nobody can even use against bots, with no reward or payoff, then why have a class with these supposed tools that are the reason Shinobi has a tiny HP and weak attacks.
I hope you actually try this and post back here either way man, I wont rub your face in it if you cant do it, but maybe it might change your mind.
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