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[CandleInTheDark]

I mean ok, think about it,Wardens have their shoulder charge, conquerors have their shield bash, lawbringers have their shove, valkyrie has sweep and the charge after the allblock, shugoki has headbutt and charge, warlord has headbutt. These are not new things. People called for nerfs for them too, I don't think they should have, they help against people turtling. Nobushi has kick which could maybe use improving, raider and kensei have unblockables that could use improving, peacekeeper has bleed, berserker uninterruptable and orochi has strong counter attacking moves none of his mains use.

So what we are looking at with shinobi and centurion, none of it is new, it is a form of something else other people have, only people don't know how to counter them yet.

[A4einboy]

i mean ok, think about it,wardens have their shoulder charge, conquerors have their shield bash, lawbringers have their shove, valkyrie has sweep and the charge after the allblock, shugoki has headbutt and charge, warlord has headbutt. These are not new things. People called for nerfs for them too, i don't think they should have, they help against people turtling. Nobushi has kick which could maybe use improving, raider and kensei have unblockables that could use improving, peacekeeper has bleed, berserker uninterruptable and orochi has strong counter attacking moves none of his mains use.

So what we are looking at with shinobi and centurion, none of it is new, it is a form of something else other people have, only people don't know how to counter them yet.

your right but they do not have 20 unblockables

[CandleInTheDark]

your right but they do not have 20 unblockables

Shinobi has one unblockable, centurion either has to guardbreak, charge an attack or finish a chain.

[Knight_Gregor]

Gotta disagree with you here, Candle. Most, if not all, of these other classes can't land a light attack immediately after a whiffed unblockable. Maybe we just need the same recovery time on all unblockables and remove the unblockable input on side dodge for all characters. That way all classes can land a guaranteed guard break after dodging the unblockable.

[CandleInTheDark]

Gotta disagree with you here, Candle. Most, if not all, of these other classes can't land a light attack immediately after a whiffed unblockable. Maybe we just need the same recovery time on all unblockables and remove the unblockable input on side dodge for all characters. That way all classes can land a guaranteed guard break after dodging the unblockable.

They're not all perfect, no, but some are very strong and were stronger but people couldn't handle them. I am hoping these see some love with the defensive meta stuff. If the shinobi and centurion show anything it is that the tools were already there.

[Alchemist..]

Worth to add that centurion kick is already slowest charge in game...

[Cyb3rR4ptor]

Also, i'd vote for unblockables canceling each other out or something down that line. I mean, simultaneous GB cancel each other and hits at the same time trade. I've seen too many unblockables clash together only to have one trump over the other. Really pisses me off. Specially when a unblockable needs time to charge can easily be foiled by a non charged fast unblockable.

[Lyskir]

I mean ok, think about it,Wardens have their shoulder charge, conquerors have their shield bash, lawbringers have their shove, valkyrie has sweep and the charge after the allblock, shugoki has headbutt and charge, warlord has headbutt. These are not new things. People called for nerfs for them too, I don't think they should have, they help against people turtling. Nobushi has kick which could maybe use improving, raider and kensei have unblockables that could use improving, peacekeeper has bleed, berserker uninterruptable and orochi has strong counter attacking moves none of his mains use.

So what we are looking at with shinobi and centurion, none of it is new, it is a form of something else other people have, only people don't know how to counter them yet.

agree

[Knight_Gregor]

They're not all perfect, no, but some are very strong and were stronger but people couldn't handle them. I am hoping these see some love with the defensive meta stuff. If the shinobi and centurion show anything it is that the tools were already there.

But. That's just it. There is no "were stronger," when it comes to follow up attacks. Regardless of how strong or fast they all were and are. None of them were completely safe. At least, not without being nerfed.

I don't think the new characters are nearly as strong as most people are making them out to be. But ignoring pre-determined mechanics in a rock-paper-scissors type situation is a dangerous road.

[Antonioj26]

I mean ok, think about it,Wardens have their shoulder charge, conquerors have their shield bash, lawbringers have their shove, valkyrie has sweep and the charge after the allblock, shugoki has headbutt and charge, warlord has headbutt. These are not new things. People called for nerfs for them too, I don't think they should have, they help against people turtling. Nobushi has kick which could maybe use improving, raider and kensei have unblockables that could use improving, peacekeeper has bleed, berserker uninterruptable and orochi has strong counter attacking moves none of his mains use.

So what we are looking at with shinobi and centurion, none of it is new, it is a form of something else other people have, only people don't know how to counter them yet.

I tend to agree with you for the most part but half of the unblockables you listed are trash and don't deserve to be put in the same catergory as shins kick or centurions list of unblockables. The other half get tons of flack for being op so not really a great argument.