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Hello my friends, I have a question for my fellow brethren on the battlefield.
After reaching Rep 1, lvl 7 with my Cent.
I have a little grasp of what it takes to play him correctly.
So my question to you all is this.
What character is the bane of your existence?
I'd say for me, the conqueror is a pain in the a** to fight. Atleast when he is good, because the kick is extremely punishable when dodged to the side followed by a shield bash.
Also his advanced blocking (whatever you call it where he treats heavy attacks like light attacks) is a pain, especially when the Conq already has the unblockable attack timing down against my cent and can parry every move thrown at him.
So, which character is hard for you to fight as the Centurion?
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Rep 2 Cent here. I haven't been playing all that much but Shinobi is an obvious nuisance for Centurion because of his speed and slipperiness. He can literally dance around you and pick his engagements, leaving you waiting for him to make a mistake. Shinobi's attacks seem to be safer than yours so it's quite hard to kill Shinobi without opening yourself up. However, if the Shinobi ****s up then you can slap him around really hard. I have a feeling PK is the same. She isn't as slippery though so if your parry game is on point you should be able to deal with her.
Conqueror isn't a hard counter per se for Centurion. It's more like LB VS Conqueror. You can't do anything to the Conq, but neither can the Conq. What ends up happening is a weird stalemate where neither of you can attack each other but you both have to wait for the other person to throw something out. Fighting Conquerors are just annoying in general because of his superior blocks, which is why I hate 1v1.
PS. Take everything I say with a grain of salt. I'm certain there are much better Centurions than me. If suggest you watch Centurion streams and ask questions there.
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Rep 3 Centurion, former Rep 18 Conq, so no, I don't really have issues with the conqueror. Mostly because I know his weaknesses ^^
What I struggle with is the Berserker, mostly because of the tiny healthpool of the Centurion vs the relatively high dmg on Berserkers. Getting parried near a wall = half my health gone :S
I tend to do well vs other Conquerors by mixing it up, going from lgihts into quick throw, or heavy into charged heavy/GB. That has always been the trick vs Conquerors, doing something unexpected,
A lot of Conquerors also seems to actually go a bit aggressive vs Centurions latetly, charging up their heavy attack (again due to the low health of the centurion), parrying thoose give you a decent punish back atleast ^^ Fighting Conqueror is mostly a patience game, but seeing as I used to main one, I tend to like playing patience :P
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Rep 4 Centurian.Originally Posted by DuhSavagePickle Go to original post
Shugoki. you punch him and he laughs. You kick him and he laughs. You have to light attack combo on them if they remotely know how to parry. And make sure you are ready to counter guard break. Many a time my Centurian has gotten a face full of belly due to the Shugoki heavy stance.
Nobushi is also pretty good at killing you, due to bleeds and your low health pool. If the Nobushi is dodging right and parrying tied with keeping their distance. They can dispatch you pretty quick.
When fighting a Centurian and you get revenge, don't activate it until you are on the ground after the punch. A lot of people tend to activate it right away during the charged heavy pin. Then you end up getting punched on the ground and waste most of your revenge with a sword in your chest.
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Found Kensei and Shugoki to be tough opponents to my Centurian. The point of the class is to mix things up. We get a really fast guardbreak and light attacks that are great to throw people off guard. Our kick should not be spammed due to the high punish if we are dodged. It is our secondary gap closer next to the leaping heavy. The best Centurians will be the ones who master the quick GB and light attack chains and are able to throw them into their assault. Centurian is pretty much all about keeping the assault going.Originally Posted by kweassa1917 Go to original postI would say at this point the worst enemies of Cents are probably themselves.
For the last week Cents have been overusing the UB spams so much that they've actually educated to people into how to deal with them... and for many people the timing is like, just burned into their muscle memory
So I don't know about very high, or competitive levels, but most average Cent players currently are like novice Warlord players that use nothing else butt headbutts at always the same timing, with same intentions in a really bland, predictable pattern... and even the great and mighty Warlord is nothing more than an easily punishable and predictable buffoon in that state .
The UB spamming worked well for most of the last week, but I can take a guess that in the past few days, Cent players are probably feeling that more and more people now evade your kicks as openers, and choose to dodge and evade your following UB attempts in a calm manner. Since the Cents have done nothing but repeat the same moves, now that it's becoming less effective, they don't know what else to do... and now we actually have people whining at General Discussions about how Cents are low-tier..
So I'd advise Cent players to think about Warlords. What do the good Warlords do? Their headbutt, that skill alone, isn't too OP at all. It can be dodged, the follow-up attacks are guaranteed but pretty weak in damage... then just what is it about good Warlord players and how they use HB that makes people call out "OP"?
It's how they manage the combat to their own flow, isn't it. Every good Warlord is also a solid defender, taking their time, and making moves to limit your side dodges... they "imprint" you with timely GBs and HB counter attacks, uninterrupted heavies to trade blows to pressure you and make you become passive, reluctant to try dodges... and from that point their HBs suddenly become more difficult to dodge on reaction. When I see Cent players these past few days, as I myself also became accustomed and educated to how their UB mashing is done, I see more clearly just how simple and transparent their intentions are. 99% of average Cent players in average PUG matches will do nothing else than just use a kick or a charged heavy every chance they get.
Perhaps the Cent players should try using less UBs, and dig into what other options and tactics, mind-games there could be.
And like, don't you even dare making excuses about "but the Cent has nothing else!"... do you really want to say that in front of Shugoki and Kensei players?
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I would disagree with you there. since Cent doesn't do any damage with his lights, he has to rely on his heavies mostly. and since Conq gets a free GB off of every heavy blocked, he counters Cent very well. Conq also has a reliable counter against his kick. Cent doesn't have a lot of options but to turtle up against Conq and try to counter punish him.Originally Posted by SnugglesIV Go to original post
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A hard counter for centurion, and every class in the game, I found its the new kama ninja.
His kick is ridiculous and extremely hard to dodge, and even if you dodge it, its nonpunishable because of the non-existent recovery time on shinobi. Sure, he has low health and everyone keeps saying hes balanced because of that, but a half decent player can wreck havoc with a shinobi. Plus, if he decides to spam light attacks, good luck, you cant change guard fast enough to counter him (on cent at least).
All assassin classes can deal pretty well with a cent. Valkyrie too.
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for me there is no clear class that seems to have a natural advantage over me as a cent player (rep 11 mostly duels/brawl) For me, and this is ironic i struggle against the turtle play style, weird how the cent was dubbed as the 'turtle breaker'. In reality his fight openers/gap closers like his kick and lunge attack are highly telegraphed and easily punished. he has an actual hard time getting in, but once in you have to rely on your mixups, my gripe that even his punch is easily react able, dodged and gb'd. hes not at all that good in the 1v1 scene, but yeah turtles give me a hard time and obviously shinobi... well jealous of their kick opener!
