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    Dear CMs, RE: Hacks or Unofficial DLC? | CLOSED THREAD

    Dear CMs,

    Maybe it is just me, but I disagree with the "Naming & Shaming" policy on this board. If people are going to abuse the system, they deserve for their reputation to reflect their behavior.

    Maybe its a liability issue for UBI, to get sued for character defamation or something, but a simple legal disclaimer like, "the views expressed by members are not necessarily the views of UBI and its affiliates" would seem to protect the company from liability.

    Is there another reason why the community at large doesn't deserve to know who the principle offenders are and what they are doing? What is the true logic behind the "Naming & Shaming" policy?

    The rules state "“Naming and shaming” suspected cheaters is also considered trolling given that it is rarely possible to prove guilt and only causes arguments.", but when said "naming" is presented in the form of video, doesn't that pretty much remove the "argument"?

    Thanks in advance...
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    If you have enough evidence to ban someone for cheating then an anti-naming and shaming policy is irrelevant. I worked in insurance and we were never allowed to use the word fraud even if it was suspected but the moment it was proved you could.
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    But seriously at this point in the games life cycle whats the point in an effective anti-cheat, we've put up with the current system for 15 months, year 2 content whilst unannounced looks minimal.

    I just wish Massive and Ubisoft would admit they got it wrong and that IF they haven't destroyed consumer confidence and a Division 2 will see the light of day and effective anti-cheat AND proper online game coding server side only are used.
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    I posted this comment before, but it's still relevant.

    No Name and Shame is to protect the innocent players that, let's face it, sometimes get accused. While YOUR video evidence might be damning and absolute proof, the NEXT guy's video proof might not be, and very well could have an innocent player being "named and shamed" for teleporting when he was merely Dark Zone transferred because someone joined his group.


    It's not to protect the cheaters...it's to protect the innocent people that do pop up from time to time. It's a blanket rule across the board as moderators are NOT the ones that make a call on if someone is cheating or not. They have to do something immediately, so the general rule is, no naming and shaming.


    Also, No Name and Shame is pretty much a standard in most game forums.

    TLDR; While YOUR evidence might not be an issue, someone else's could. It's a blanket rule.
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    Originally Posted by RpTheHotrod Go to original post
    I posted this comment before, but it's still relevant.

    No Name and Shame is to protect the innocent players that, let's face it, sometimes get accused. While YOUR video evidence might be damning and absolute proof, the NEXT guy's video proof might not be, and very well could have an innocent player being "named and shamed" for teleporting when he was merely Dark Zone transferred because someone joined his group.


    It's not to protect the cheaters...it's to protect the innocent people that do pop up from time to time. It's a blanket rule across the board as moderators are NOT the ones that make a call on if someone is cheating or not. They have to do something immediately, so the general rule is, no naming and shaming.


    Also, No Name and Shame is pretty much a standard in most game forums.

    TLDR; While YOUR evidence might not be an issue, someone else's could. It's a blanket rule.
    OK, I guess I can see that.
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    Originally Posted by RpTheHotrod Go to original post
    I posted this comment before, but it's still relevant.

    No Name and Shame is to protect the innocent players that, let's face it, sometimes get accused. While YOUR video evidence might be damning and absolute proof, the NEXT guy's video proof might not be, and very well could have an innocent player being "named and shamed" for teleporting when he was merely Dark Zone transferred because someone joined his group.


    It's not to protect the cheaters...it's to protect the innocent people that do pop up from time to time. It's a blanket rule across the board as moderators are NOT the ones that make a call on if someone is cheating or not. They have to do something immediately, so the general rule is, no naming and shaming.


    Also, No Name and Shame is pretty much a standard in most game forums.

    TLDR; While YOUR evidence might not be an issue, someone else's could. It's a blanket rule.
    This.

    I've been called out for cheats before in other games and while fun and confident boosting at first, after a while you genuinely start to worry about some idiots getting you banned when you're actually in fact clean.

    It even went as far as people accusing me of using amphetamines at LAN :x

    (it's not that I was always the best, but I had a bit of a unique play-style that was quite explosive and aggressive in its approach)
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    Originally Posted by Corrupt_be Go to original post
    This.

    I've been called out for cheats before in other games and while fun and confident boosting at first, after a while you genuinely start to worry about some idiots getting you banned when you're actually in fact clean.

    It even went as far as people accusing me of using amphetamines at LAN :x

    (it's not that I was always the best, but I had a bit of a unique play-style that was quite explosive and aggressive in its approach)
    In BF4,I saw Cerealno kicked and banned from so many servers. He finished 100:0 in almost every game but he was just a tank god. Not a cheater. He also had an organized squad of engineers that nobody seemed to notice. The whole teams job was to keep the tank killing. They played to win games. Not boost KD.
    If name and shame was allowed,every post on the forum would be about him and players like him. Actual cheaters would be buried by false hackusations.

    If they allowed name and shame,it would be an instant landslide and the forums would be about nothing else.
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    Oh...about the squad keeping the tank alive...

    Neebs turned us on to a fun concept.
    We would play rounds we called "Saving Private Ryan".
    We would pick some random noob and our entire squad would play medic and our job was to keep that noob from ever getting killed.
    It would confuse the hell out of the noob sometimes but it was fun. lol

    The noob might finish 2:0 but hey... a 2 KD in BF4 is good stuff.
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    Originally Posted by mckrackin5324 Go to original post
    Oh...about the squad keeping the tank alive...

    Neebs turned us on to a fun concept.
    We would play rounds we called "Saving Private Ryan".
    We would pick some random noob and our entire squad would play medic and our job was to keep that noob from ever getting killed.
    It would confuse the hell out of the noob sometimes but it was fun. lol

    The noob might finish 2:0 but hey... a 2 KD in BF4 is good stuff.
    thats some respectful and funny way to play right there, highfive !!!!!
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    Voronja aka Lt Scary Woman used or tried to use the following glitch cheat exploit.

    Used a mobile cover to teleport through a door to access out of bounds areas and mission area. The attempt was a fail.

    Used a exploit to unspawn non relative NPC's in the Underground DLC.

    Used a known score boosting piece of gear in a PVP area and giving her team no assistance. Lasted 30 seconds max but still did it none the less.

    Takes advantage of a exploit in Clear Skies where the team leader teleports to BoO after reaching the check point to bypass the NPC respawning prior to completing the first objective of Clear Skies.

    Now what ya gonna do with that? Hate on me? Call me a big ole cheating glitching cow-bag and say I'm the scum of the earth and deserve to get my Xbox account bannned for life?

    Get real! I've had much worse done to me in RL that doesn't even come close to that.

    Disclaimer. The person writing this post is the bearer of the two mentioned usernames. No animals were harmed writing this post.
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