DUH! The Kenseis swift attack is useless | Forums

[Eppela]

would be nice if this free GB thing was explained in the move set or somewhere idk...... I thought my mouse was defective thx very much,............................................. .....!

[Draghmar]

According to Roman, working as intended, Kensei has a great w/l ratio and is top tier within devs testing, also Warlord is not stupid broken, working as intended...gotta love their logic

He didn't said exactly this. He said that swift attack is punishable by GB if it's blocked and it's suppose to work this way to prevent spamming.

[Kitsune..]

He didn't said exactly this. He said that swift attack is punishable by GB if it's blocked and it's suppose to work this way to prevent spamming.

It is super telegraphed and extremely parriable thus completely cannot be spammed against anyone semi decent. Being so punishable on block it cannot be even used as a counterattacking move, not only against WL, it works the same way when you evade LB's light or warden's SB, even if you evade a plain light attack with this move or you use superior block the speed of this attack is so low, it allows Kensei's opponent fully recover from missed attack/superior block stagger animation and still block it and get an uncounterable GB. The only one who can be punished with this attack is Kensei himself.

[guor6800]

I have been playing since closed Beta here and my favourite one was the Kensei. Since then , Kensei pretty much in every update got a nerf and most times a silent one.
After the latest patch the devs just conviced me that they had no idea what they are doing.

Valkyrie mains cry - valkyrie becomes a beast
Lawbringer mains cry - Lawbringer becomes something more than a beast
That is the case with Raider now.

Warlord still op,so is Warden.A below average player can dominate with those chars without even trying that hard. Now if the guy is above average you can scrap the word victory from your vocabulary against them.

And here i am 3 months post-lunch and the Kensei may be even worse than then.So devs seriously why do you even have this champion in the game? Just for the fail gifs?

[Dizzy4213]

He didn't said exactly this. He said that swift attack is punishable by GB if it's blocked and it's suppose to work this way to prevent spamming.

Yet the devs are completely fine with Warden spamming his 50/50 vortex.

Some of the comments from the devs in the recent stream were mind-boggling. It's like they're playing a different game from the rest of us, if they think the Kensei are Warlord are fine.

I don't know if anyone had a chance to see the gameplay before it was taken down, but the Legion Kick from the Centurion is like a pre-nerfed headbutt. Seems a bit slower but hardly take any stamina at all. So Kensei isn't allowed to spam his dash attack, yet these heroes can spam their unblockables. What sane person thinks this is okay?

[Draghmar]

It is super telegraphed and extremely parriable thus completely cannot be spammed against anyone semi decent. [...]

Hey, I didn't tell that I agree with this statement. I just wanted to clarify what exactly they said. :P

Yet the devs are completely fine with Warden spamming his 50/50 vortex.

Some of the comments from the devs in the recent stream were mind-boggling. It's like they're playing a different game from the rest of us, if they think the Kensei are Warlord are fine.

Because they do play different game, even two:
1. They have their local builds where play against each other.
2. They have some stats that they analyze and makes those comments.

I don't think they fine with vortex. I think they just don't know what to do about this without breaking character. If they remove spammable actions from all the classes that have them those classes loose too much power and I think they can't compensate for this at the moment: lack of resources, ideas, pissing of people that play as those classes <- that could be most important factor with the level of playerbase we have right now.

[FIX.THE.KENSEI]

I have been playing since closed Beta here and my favourite one was the Kensei. Since then , Kensei pretty much in every update got a nerf and most times a silent one.
After the latest patch the devs just conviced me that they had no idea what they are doing.

Exactly, a clear and regrettable truth.

The first thing devs should do is take the W / Loss ratio and throw it away in the trash

And the second is to play at least once the fking kensei in competitive mode and not in a POWER POINT...

At least they would stop talking nonsense.

[Ikeru_Densetsu]

Roman stated that you have to wall stun after gb to land a heavy with the orochi... that shows you how much devs know about the game

[Kitsune..]

Hey, I didn't tell that I agree with this statement. I just wanted to clarify what exactly they said. :P


Because they do play different game, even two:
1. They have their local builds where play against each other.
2. They have some stats that they analyze and makes those comments.

I don't think they fine with vortex. I think they just don't know what to do about this without breaking character. If they remove spammable actions from all the classes that have them those classes loose too much power and I think they can't compensate for this at the moment: lack of resources, ideas, pissing of people that play as those classes <- that could be most important factor with the level of playerbase we have right now.

Recently I've listened to Roman's interview, where he said that they test stuff in their alpha build and then they have some players testing it. I'm really interested who are those players and where do they take them and, foremost, why don't they use a proper PTR for testing purposes, which obviously will give them much more data/feedback than some limited amount of whatever guys.

[Knight_Raime]

According to Roman, working as intended, Kensei has a great w/l ratio and is top tier within devs testing, also Warlord is not stupid broken, working as intended...gotta love their logic

Nah. He said that GB after a dash is blocked is functioning properly.
And with warlord they would rather bring more characters up at this point.

Which I agree with. Warlord got nerfed already. The only other really needed change imo is a throw distance nerf. Which is technically still possible. Since they said they were going to keep an eye on it. At this point warlord isn't "op" he's just bolstered by the defensive mechanics. Once those are brought down properly more aggressive kits will have a much easier time with him. Warlord was designed to have a solution to basically every situation. And while we can all agree that's a stupid design choice (just as imo shug being pure damage and conq being pure defense) it sort of plays into what a "heavy" is in games that have roles.