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[Barboron]

Alone those 35 % of my unfinished "guide" are much more than you gather in your thread.
here it is: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...son-of-shields

That's not even a guide, read the title.

Second weak arguement.
"You are a lvl 20 Conque - you don't know what are you talking about kiddo"

Using quotation marks and completely misquoting me because you are clearly upset. It's ok to be upset though. If you want to have something reliable than be consistent.

[S0Mi_xD]

But I didn't base your skill on just your level. I watched the video and I commented on what you did. You obviously didn't read it. I guess, since you love to use the word so much, it's very ignorant. I know I have a lot to learn but I openly admit it, but I am not trying to put out guides and then acting like a child when I receive criticism for it.

But you did it very directly - at first with the picture (using a visualisation is a very strong arguing tool and most of the time it contains the statement of an arguement) because people believe things they see
BTW i also considered your critic about my playstyle.
And did answer it in a bad way "I want to show ppl like you, that there is a world beyond turtleing up with the conque, not performing attacks and charges."

Sorry for that:
I'll explain it:
- I charge my attack because.
A: it is obvious, so my opponent wil think that i use it to attack
B: it is a gamble,
- if my opponent attacks i counter attack it and have a safe heavy (rarerly happens because nearly everyone just waits.
- I do let it go to "feint" it -> this leads into the opponent tries to parry, so i can block his failed attempt and get a free GB
-> my opponent dodges or stays still to block it, so i can go for a GB, shieldbash riposte or an attack
-> dodge attack (like in the example) this one needs to be parried to get a punish (except PK i think)
- or i let it go and IF i hit i maybe go for a shieldbash, if this shieldbash hits you would get a free heavy, that means this mix up does 50 dmg if it succeeds.

Also heavy attack have the same reason for charged attacks but here are this point abit more important:
- or i let it go and IF i hit i maybe go for a shieldbash, if this shieldbash hits you would get a free heavy, that means this mix up does 50 dmg if it succeeds.

Abou the shield bash dodging skill, i do not play very often against Conqus.
And if you are doing a good mindgame, you will still land some of them, you are implieng that shoulderbashed should never hit a good player, but if you use it wisely you can manage it, this goes for heavies as well.
And don't forget, humans do mistakes, and conection does play a roll sometimes as well.

I am actually quite aggressive with conqueror and it doesn't pay off so if you can show us something, as I said (if you actually read my previous comments), I'll be waiting for you to finish your guide. But as I said, I don't have much hope, like it or not. I read your original post, I watched your videos. There's no evidence that you are going to do anything spectacular just yet. My gripe with the conqueror comes from experience. I have learned some techniques and I try to apply those to different heros and it just doesn't weight up against them and I can speak from experience.

I think you should change your mindset but honestly, I don't care if you do or do not. You are not open to criticism and the deserved scepticism.

With changing your mindset i mean exactly this - to hopefull show you a way to play the conqu with more confidents.

My playstyle is passive-aggressive.

[S0Mi_xD]

That's not even a guide, read the title.



Using quotation marks and completely misquoting me because you are clearly upset. It's ok to be upset though. If you want to have something reliable than be consistent.

1. I never said your thread is a guide, it is a List and a comparison of the Defensive capabilities of the Shield Chars.


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o.O ? OK... i just use quotation marks to quote your statement (thats the purpose of quotation marks - or am i wrong?) but looks like i should just stop discussing with you - because you always get me wrong (purposely or not )

Yeah it is ok to be upset sometimes - it's nothing wrong.
But actually i just like arguing with ppl, because sometime it helps. (See my discussion with TheLastPanda in here)

I do read, that you will keep an eye on it and i am very happy about it.

[TheLastPandaa]

My thoughts of the video called How to conquer:

First round:
General idea: Very low lv duel with many mistakes and error from both of you..

Step by step explanation:

First move: Your oponent starts charging his hevay at the beginig of the fight (not good idea) and you decided to charge yours as well just to cancel it with full block. What was your plan? trying to SB while he was charging his heavy? That was a poor decision. You should have hold your full block to stop his heavy charge atack and then going for a Gb and a free heavy.

Second move: Your oponent, after taking out half of your health, feels confident and try to sb you (bad idea again) and you dodge it (good) and then you go for a SB (good) just to continue with a heavy (very wrong). You should have gone for a light because it was a granted hit with no posible punishment.

Thirth move: Your oponent blocks your heavy (ofcourse) but does not go for a GB and a granted side heavy. I guess he was worryed about his stamina, but never the less he still could punish you with a gb and a light or a shield hit and then back up to restore his stamina.

The next set of moves are just a show of bad decisions and poor muscular memory to perform a comeback by punishing your oponent atacks.

And that is only on the first round (I did not watch the next ones)

Conclusion: I dont think you are a bad player at all, but is quite clear to me that you need much more practice with the conqueror to really understand how to get the max performance in every posible situation. Your reflexes and reactions where not sharp in that video, and many decision you (and your oponent) made during the fight were not very good ones . Experience is a very powerfull tool and is something you lack at this point with the conq (for what i have seen on the video) So,to be honest with you, nothing i saw on that round is worth of having in consideration.

Dont take me wrong, this is just my opinion.

[Ahmn-]

Oooh i knew this would comming, my general skill are very good (conqu is not my first char)
Also, you say it, i am "just" a lvl 20 Conque - i do lack in practical experience with him (thats what i also said in the thread.

But judging someone only because of his lvl is very biased and ignorant...

Yes, i do have to learn still much - but you aswell, especialy judging by your thread where you clame that Conquerer have a weaker defence and nearly no options.

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I want to show ppl like you, that there is a world beyond turtleing up with the conque, not performing attacks and charges.


Yes, i hope you will change your mindset abit and be abit more open to convictions, tipps etc.

This guide isn't finished yet.

But I didn't base your skill on just your level. I watched the video and I commented on what you did. You obviously didn't read it. I guess, since you love to use the word so much, it's very ignorant. I know I have a lot to learn but I openly admit it, but I am not trying to put out guides and then acting like a child when I receive criticism for it.

I am actually quite aggressive with conqueror and it doesn't pay off so if you can show us something, as I said (if you actually read my previous comments), I'll be waiting for you to finish your guide. But as I said, I don't have much hope, like it or not. I read your original post, I watched your videos. There's no evidence that you are going to do anything spectacular just yet. My gripe with the conqueror comes from experience. I have learned some techniques and I try to apply those to different heros and it just doesn't weight up against them and I can speak from experience.

I think you should change your mindset but honestly, I don't care if you do or do not. You are not open to criticism and the deserved scepticism.

I'm honestly excited to see Rep 0 Level 20 Conqueror Jesus take us to this "world beyond turteling up" that hundreds of players, many of them very skilled with experience in a lot of classes, with thousands of hours played just couldn't find.

Apparently it involves doing charged heavies on other conquerors, no wonder noone has found it yet

edit: ps. it's kind of dumb to make a guide that offers no guidance to people - if you're still new to something and you're figuring out how it works why should anyone follow that guidance?

[S0Mi_xD]

I'm honestly excited to see Rep 0 Level 20 Conqueror Jesus take us to this "world beyond turteling up" that hundreds of players, many of them very skilled with experience in a lot of classes, with thousands of hours played just couldn't find.

Apparently it involves doing charged heavies on other conquerors, no wonder noone has found it yet

edit: ps. it's kind of dumb to make a guide that offers no guidance to people - if you're still new to something and you're figuring out how it works why should anyone follow that guidance?

I never said i know everything, thats why i said at the beginning of my post
" You are free to correct me and post things i am not listed in here."

If it is critic, i will read it and i will answer.

Srsly i don't know whats your problem about this o.o charged heavies are a good way to bait an opponent, especially a Conqu, and even more one that charges up.

I play since release and i play frequently.
I have a max rep of 18 most of it on my Berserker rep 11 (his rep is the only one i really care about)
I play every char except Nobushi, Warden (dropped him, dont like him), warlord and LB.

I have many experience in different fighting games aswell (this means i am quite fast in adopting, and my refelxes aren't the worst aswell) (what i wanna say - i am not a mainstream gamer)


All the experience in my Conque (he got rep 1 now) are ONLY from 1v1 duelling, and i play him since abit more than 2 Weeks.

That means - i don't need to learn Basics of For honor fighing system, because i already know it.
In the first 2 hours i spend in practice mode with Conquerer i figuered out everything i know about him (and those informations are 90% of what the Conque is viable).
I already figuered out everything about Conque in my first 2 days i played him. There are maybe little details i don't know (some frame works etc.)

So no, i am not just somebody who thinks "woa those ppl are all noobs, i've got nearly 1 Rep thats why i want to post a Guide out of nowhere"


And my Guide isn't finished yet.

[S0Mi_xD]

My thoughts of the video called How to conquer:

First round:
General idea: Very low lv duel with many mistakes and error from both of you..

Step by step explanation:

First move: Your oponent starts charging his hevay at the beginig of the fight (not good idea) and you decided to charge yours as well just to cancel it with full block. What was your plan? trying to SB while he was charging his heavy? That was a poor decision. You should have hold your full block to stop his heavy charge atack and then going for a Gb and a free heavy.

Second move: Your oponent, after taking out half of your health, feels confident and try to sb you (bad idea again) and you dodge it (good) and then you go for a SB (good) just to continue with a heavy (very wrong). You should have gone for a light because it was a granted hit with no posible punishment.

Thirth move: Your oponent blocks your heavy (ofcourse) but does not go for a GB and a granted side heavy. I guess he was worryed about his stamina, but never the less he still could punish you with a gb and a light or a shield hit and then back up to restore his stamina.

The next set of moves are just a show of bad decisions and poor muscular memory to perform a comeback by punishing your oponent atacks.

And that is only on the first round (I did not watch the next ones)

Conclusion: I dont think you are a bad player at all, but is quite clear to me that you need much more practice with the conqueror to really understand how to get the max performance in every posible situation. Your reflexes and reactions where not sharp in that video, and many decision you (and your oponent) made during the fight were not very good ones . Experience is a very powerfull tool and is something you lack at this point with the conq (for what i have seen on the video) So,to be honest with you, nothing i saw on that round is worth of having in consideration.

Dont take me wrong, this is just my opinion.

Thank you for your critic, but why you only taking the first round?
My first round was horrible and i also stated about the video that i did many mistakes in my first round.

More important are the rounds after the first.

I'll explain myself to you.

My fist move:
Charging, attacking and "feinting" it, i tried to bait him into the counter attack. But he doesn't fell for it.
Now comes my mistake, i tried to GB him but in the same moment he released the attack and i got hit.
(If i hadn't try to GB him, i would have blocked the heavy and got an GB.) Also a SBR wouldn't be that bad of an idea.

Second Move:
I tried to confirm a point of me.

+ IF you hit your enemy with SB, WHILE your enemy is in action (if he attacks, dodges, GB, and so on), this leads into a free heavy after SB (with or without wall) BUT a light wouldn't miss. -> I call it a "Counter Shild Bash" (CSB)
(currently i am not sure about this point, need to test it)

looks like it didn't work.

Rest of the first round i failed just some dodges especial the shieldbash after his heavy.

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So your conclusion is 99% BS - If you watch an film and say ... "boy the first 10 minutes are boring. The rest of the film is the same"

Let me say it in a different way:
I do appreciate your critc, but i can't take it serious, because you doesn't take my Video serious and only watched the first round.

The only thing you are right (and i already stated above the video, that i still need to play abit more frequently for the muscel memory.

[TheLastPandaa]

Thank you for your critic, but why you only taking the first round?
My first round was horrible and i also stated about the video that i did many mistakes in my first round.

More important are the rounds after the first.

I'll explain myself to you.

My fist move:
Charging, attacking and "feinting" it, i tried to bait him into the counter attack. But he doesn't fell for it.
Now comes my mistake, i tried to GB him but in the same moment he released the attack and i got hit.
(If i hadn't try to GB him, i would have blocked the heavy and got an GB.) Also a SBR wouldn't be that bad of an idea.

Second Move:
I tried to confirm a point of me.

looks like it didn't work.

Rest of the first round i failed just some dodges especial the shieldbash after his heavy.

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So your conclusion is 99% BS - If you watch an film and say ... "boy the first 10 minutes are boring. The rest of the film is the same"

The only thing you are right (and i already stated above the video, that i still need to play abit more frequently for the muscel memory.

I might watch the rest rounds later, but by the way both of you played... let say that i did not see it necesary.
Edit to add: Just to continue with your example: If i go to the cinema to watch a film called Sharknado and during the first 10 minutes i can see how fliying sharks destroy a flying plane, i think i can presume what type of film will be. It does not mean that it can not be an ejoyable movie, but fur sure is not a movie that deserves to be taken too seriously.

As i sayed on my very first post of this topic, when i talk about the conq is from a high lv duel perspective.
On a high lv duel you can not fool anyone with the fullblock cancel at the begining of a fight, you can not use the charged heavy to open a fight, you can not sb spam, and for sure you can not land a heavy or a light without geting parryed just to say a few things. On that first round i saw many of those things.

What does that mean? it does not mean that you are a bad player, it means you are not a good conq player just yet.
Just to put you an example: I am a general rep 51 player but my zerker is rep 3 at this point. I know all he can do and i know how to perform all he can do, but i dont have the experience to play with him at high lv. If i make a video showing how to play with the zerker, the most experienced players with that class will for sure make me know that my ways and tactics were not the best and that i do not get full advantage of all situations. Is a natural thing. You can not play a character for 6 days and consider your self a master with him no matter how limited his moveset is. So, before you continue with your conq guide, i would recomend you to keep playing with him because is a super fun character tu use in my opinion. Watch the turneys, tutorials and keep practicing.

[TheLastPandaa]

Btw, there is a youtuber that made a lott of videos showing how all the heroes work (i think his name was KLYKA). I remember that there was a very good beginers guide for the conq (remember that the guide came b4 the infamous patch 1'5 that destroyed the conq). I will search it for you. I think it can be usefull to complete your guide.

Edit to add:
Here you have the video.

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[Saint Santana]

Once again something like this comes across my lap and I just can't stand by idle cringing at a novice conqueror's words. If you don't know me by now then that's a shame. Sir you are late to the conqueror tip party. I've been giving pro tips since mid March about conqueror. Oh and you should thank me about opposing the conqueror nerf that was going to happen.your welcome. If you want some pro tips about conq despite how basic he seems just refer to my conqueror sanctuary post and others. This is getting kinda old but as the top conqueror its my duty to inform my conqueror brothers. GT: Saint Santana.