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[S0Mi_xD]

Feinting does not work that way with the warden and the rest of the heroes.

If a heavy cost 20 stamina and you feint it, the whole process of Heavy+feint will cost you 10 or maybe 15 stamina not 20 nor 40 because the feint move does not cost stamina on it self, in fact it reduces the stamina that the normal heavy would take.

In the other hand as you well sayed:

If the conq uses his full block (i think it allways takes the same amount of stamina no matter if you cancell a heavy or a light):
Heavy (20 stamina)+full block (10/20 stamina)= 30/40 stamina + delay stamina regen.
Light (10 stamina)+ full block (10/20 stamina)= 20/30 stamina + delay stamina regen.

So yes, the conq has a huge stamina penalty compared with the other characters.

Sorry my friend, but there you are completly wrong.

If you feint with the actual feint mechanic (with every Hero), it will cost you the double amount of stamina.

Believe me, you need to just go into practice and watch your stamina, if you feint with any character you will lose as twice as much stamina as without feint.

I tested it for my self.

Edit:
If i find the time, i will add video and/or pictures material. But not today

[TheLastPandaa]

Sorry my friend, but there you are completly wrong.

If you feint with the actual feint mechanic (with every Hero), it will cost you the double amount of stamina.

Believe me, you need to just go into practice and watch your stamina, if you feint with any character you will lose as twice as much stamina as without feint.

I tested it for my self.

Edit:
If i find the time, i will add video and/or pictures material. But not today

Just realise you are completly right about the stamina cost of the feints.

[S0Mi_xD]

In this moment, i do uploade video material.

[Barboron]

This 'guide' leaves a LOT to be desired. It's really just reiterating the moveset.

I completely agree that the Full Block Stance 'feint' shouldn't realistically be considered a feint because it doesn't act the same as a feint. Feinting being that you cancel your attack while the conqueror actually performs a whole different action.

There's no real guide here at all to be honest. There are some tricks to conqueror and I was hoping to see them here.

[Barboron]

I would also add I am VERY skeptical about your guide from watching one of the videos



Only level 20 and you were barely holding your own against a rep 3 conqueror.

First of, both of you were charging heavy attacks (not something I would do against another conqueror)

Secondly you guys were actually heavy attacking each other

Your ability to dodge the opponent's shield bash was poor


I think you might have a lot to learn before giving guides and tips on Conqueror but...I'm going to be keeping an eye here and see what you come up with

[S0Mi_xD]

This 'guide' leaves a LOT to be desired. It's really just reiterating the moveset.

I completely agree that the Full Block Stance 'feint' shouldn't realistically be considered a feint because it doesn't act the same as a feint. Feinting being that you cancel your attack while the conqueror actually performs a whole different action.

There's no real guide here at all to be honest. There are some tricks to conqueror and I was hoping to see them here.

Completeness of this Guide:
35 %

First read than answer - i do really not understand kind of mentality people have...

In terms of the meaning of the word feint, full block stance is a feint, in terms of the actual ingame mechanic "Feint" it isn't, because it is a "Feint" replacement, like i mentioned in my thread (if you would read it instead of skim through it.

If people wouldn't be that ignorant, they the world would be better place .... but ok.

Yeah i mentioned ALL tricks i managed to gather in my time playing the conquerer.
Aswell there is a video example, where i use all of the mentioned things.

It works - not like your whining about how useless the Conquerer is, i see across this forum.

[Barboron]

i do really not understand kind of mentality people have...

You don't understand because you aren't trying to understand. 35% complete but still no real tips or guide.
If you are going to make a guide, at least have something original ready, you have just regurgitated anything posted about conqueror so I wouldn't even give you the satisfaction of saying 35% complete considering this work is not yours. I would put this guide more at 5% complete.

If people wouldn't be that ignorant, they the world would be better place .... but ok.

Are you really saying the whole world would be a better place if people read the entire **** you put up? Honestly, we would be better off without you. You're getting so defensive because I came in to give you criticism. You're too stubborn and not open to being criticised. I have played conqueror since Alpha, that's not to say I am good by any stretch, but if I come in to a guide that someone is trying to pretend is comprehensive then I am going to hold you to a high standard and there's really nothing here. If this is 35% then by **** you have a LOT to learn because you're missing a lot.

I know the 'feint' works, I use it quite often. But that doesn't suddenly make it good. It's costly and the returns are poor. Not to mention it is incredibly risky as you are put into a very vulnerable state where you can't counter guard break. But you obviously just skimmed over the details. You're very ignorant to the playstyle and mechanics of a conqueror.

[S0Mi_xD]

I would also add I am VERY skeptical about your guide from watching one of the videos



Only level 20 and you were barely holding your own against a rep 3 conqueror.

First of, both of you were charging heavy attacks (not something I would do against another conqueror)

Secondly you guys were actually heavy attacking each other

Your ability to dodge the opponent's shield bash was poor


I think you might have a lot to learn before giving guides and tips on Conqueror but...I'm going to be keeping an eye here and see what you come up with

Oooh i knew this would comming, my general skill are very good (conqu is not my first char)
Also, you say it, i am "just" a lvl 20 Conque - i do lack in practical experience with him (thats what i also said in the thread.

But judging someone only because of his lvl is very biased and ignorant...

Yes, i do have to learn still much - but you aswell, especialy judging by your thread where you clame that Conquerer have a weaker defence and nearly no options.

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I want to show ppl like you, that there is a world beyond turtleing up with the conque, not performing attacks and charges.


Yes, i hope you will change your mindset abit and be abit more open to convictions, tipps etc.

This guide isn't finished yet.

[S0Mi_xD]

You don't understand because you aren't trying to understand. 35% complete but still no real tips or guide.
If you are going to make a guide, at least have something original ready, you have just regurgitated anything posted about conqueror so I wouldn't even give you the satisfaction of saying 35% complete considering this work is not yours. I would put this guide more at 5% complete.



Are you really saying the whole world would be a better place if people read the entire **** you put up? Honestly, we would be better off without you. You're getting so defensive because I came in to give you criticism. You're too stubborn and not open to being criticised. I have played conqueror since Alpha, that's not to say I am good by any stretch, but if I come in to a guide that someone is trying to pretend is comprehensive then I am going to hold you to a high standard and there's really nothing here. If this is 35% then by **** you have a LOT to learn because you're missing a lot.

I know the 'feint' works, I use it quite often. But that doesn't suddenly make it good. It's costly and the returns are poor. Not to mention it is incredibly risky as you are put into a very vulnerable state where you can't counter guard break. But you obviously just skimmed over the details. You're very ignorant to the playstyle and mechanics of a conqueror.

Ok - at first - yes, now i am stubborn.
But no i do accept criticism.
The difference here is your criticism is based on very weak arguments.

First Weak arguement:
Here are no usefull tipps/guide. So explain me why you think so.

Alone those 35 % of my unfinished "guide" are much more than you gather in your thread.
here it is: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...son-of-shields

Second weak arguement.
"You are a lvl 20 Conque - you don't know what are you talking about kiddo"

Also things i am 100% sure about because i tested, tried and used it successfully, i will defend it.

And also - i do not feel offended by your post - i am happy to argue with you (don't get me wrong)

[Barboron]

Oooh i knew this would comming, my general skill are very good (conqu is not my first char)
Also, you say it, i am "just" a lvl 20 Conque - i do lack in practical experience with him (thats what i also said in the thread.

But judging someone only because of his lvl is very biased and ignorant...

Yes, i do have to learn still much - but you aswell, especialy judging by your thread where you clame that Conquerer have a weaker defence and nearly no options.

----
I want to show ppl like you, that there is a world beyond turtleing up with the conque, not performing attacks and charges.


Yes, i hope you will change your mindset abit and be abit more open to convictions, tipps etc.

This guide isn't finished yet.

But I didn't base your skill on just your level. I watched the video and I commented on what you did. You obviously didn't read it. I guess, since you love to use the word so much, it's very ignorant. I know I have a lot to learn but I openly admit it, but I am not trying to put out guides and then acting like a child when I receive criticism for it.

I am actually quite aggressive with conqueror and it doesn't pay off so if you can show us something, as I said (if you actually read my previous comments), I'll be waiting for you to finish your guide. But as I said, I don't have much hope, like it or not. I read your original post, I watched your videos. There's no evidence that you are going to do anything spectacular just yet. My gripe with the conqueror comes from experience. I have learned some techniques and I try to apply those to different heros and it just doesn't weight up against them and I can speak from experience.

I think you should change your mindset but honestly, I don't care if you do or do not. You are not open to criticism and the deserved scepticism.