Raider buff; is it really needed? | Forums

[Mudflaaaps]

Why people complain about the raider is beyond me, he's a very viable hero.
I don't particularly like the raider nor do I dislike him, he's about average. He already has some great mix ups, easy unblockables, he can drain your stamina in an instant, he can feint literally everything, why does he need a buff?

This is another example of how people cry about their character not being the absolute best so they get buffed. Lawbringer was a fair challenge before, now he's a God.

After reading the patch notes, its clear that raider will be an absolute nightmare now, instead of just a reasonable challenge.

So, I would like an orochi buff. He's fine already and I have a 97% win duel ratio with him, BUT he's not the best. I want him to be totally unblockable and have no stamina penalties please Ubi. Thanks in advance *facepalm*

[Hillbill79]

Because of data.

He is the most under performing character... he cant even get a free heavy off of a gb.

Once they remove the unblockable, unparryable unlock, hes buggered without a buff

[Mudflaaaps]

Only because people don't understand how to use him. I tried him once and won 7 duels in a row. 7!

Not all heros get a free heavy off a GB, conqueror doesn't. Does he get a buff? No, he got a nerf.

Their 'data' doesn't really make sense. Just because a character is played less than others (more OP ones) he needs a buff? No sense there. He's already a very viable and dangerous character in the hands of anyone with a tiny bit of skill.

[razabak10mm]

After reading the patch notes, its clear that raider will be an absolute nightmare now, instead of just a reasonable challenge.

Good, good. Let your hate flow through you...I feel my Raider getting stronger by the moment.

[Lyskir]

he has no 50/50 so he will be mid tier even with this buffs
he has no opener
he has only slow attacks even light attack is slow
he has only heavy feint into zone or heavy feint into dash top light, both very obvious
he has no garanteed dmg after GB only zone that takes half his stamina or a light lol, He is dependent on his surroundings for dmg on GB
he has the slowest guard change speed ingame

so yes he needs that buffs also kensei, nobushi and orochi need at least a little bit of dev love

[Mudflaaaps]

I disagree. He's not a bad character at all, he has plenty of mix ups and free hits.

Kensei does NOT need a buff.
I main kensei and he's one of the lower performing characters, but he's still a monster when used properly. Same with orochi.

Nobushi? Ha. Nobushi needs a nerf if anything. Ridiculously overpowered zone attack, lightning quick attacks, again she's a tank when used properly.

[Mudflaaaps]

I have news for you, if you think raider needs a buff and you main him, you're clearly not very good. Sorry pal.

[Lyskir]

Good, good. Let your hate flow through you...I feel my Raider getting stronger by the moment.

yeah I have the feeling there is a bit of hate towards raider xD

Raider main for life!

[Haemmerst0rm]

Raider needs a heavy on guardbreak. I dont see why ubi wont implement that come on!

[Antonioj26]

Why people complain about the raider is beyond me, he's a very viable hero.
I don't particularly like the raider nor do I dislike him, he's about average. He already has some great mix ups, easy unblockables, he can drain your stamina in an instant, he can feint literally everything, why does he need a buff?

This is another example of how people cry about their character not being the absolute best so they get buffed. Lawbringer was a fair challenge before, now he's a God.

After reading the patch notes, its clear that raider will be an absolute nightmare now, instead of just a reasonable challenge.

So, I would like an orochi buff. He's fine already and I have a 97% win duel ratio with him, BUT he's not the best. I want him to be totally unblockable and have no stamina penalties please Ubi. Thanks in advance *facepalm*

So I'll explain why he was bad and let's try having an actual conversation without name calling.

He has 1 unblockable that's slow, highly telegraphed, and uses up half of his stamina. It's incredibly useful if the opponent is out of stamina but that's really the only time because you can use it for mixup games.

The opponent has to guess if you are going to cancel or if you are going to let it go. If he guesses wrong he will either get parried and fall down or take the unblockable to the face. If it's the former than you will be stuck in another 50/50. This is where the raider shines but he has to get them low enough for this. The opponent can also dodge everything I said but if you know this you can cancel into gb and throw them on the ground to start it up again.

When you say he can drain your stamina in a instant I'm assuming you are talking about the knee after he throws you into a wall. The problem is it doesnt completely drain stamina no matter how little stamina the target has, it will always stop at about 20% on the hit and will regenerate during the animation so when all is said and done the target is probably at about 30-40 of max stamina. Most people take this time to turtle up and get stam back and unfortunately this was also a huge stamina penalty to the raider so there were no real ways to follow up without exhausting yourself anyway. All you got was a guaranteed light and now both of you are low on stam.

You said he can feint everything which is not really true. He can feint his heavies which is something everyone can do. If you mean can soft feint his initial heavy into stun tap well that's really all that he has in terms of his feint game.

Those were his only real strengths, his stunning tap mixup is incredibly risky. It's 18 frames long, that's a pretty long time and if it gets parried the opponent gets a free heavy/gb. His lights are all slow and so are his heavies. He was far from being great and after this he still will be midtier