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    Duels are now pointless

    99.8% of duel players do nothing but spam their safe buttons.
    This is either their unblockable vortex or their zone attack. It's got to the point where I don't even bother fighting spammers, because it's physically impossible to beat these broken moves.

    Let's clarify;
    If you need to spam an unbeatable, broken move, YOU ARE NOT GOOD.

    This isn't me crying, this is me pointing out obvious flaws which have been pointed out countless times. I also understand that zone attacks are apparently being addressed (shame the same can't be said for unblockable vortexs).

    Bottom line; cheap tactics don't mean you're good. They mean you're a loser and need to resort to cheap tactics to win.

    Before the 'GIT GUD U SALTY NOOB' kids start screaming, just bear in mind that Ubisoft have addressed these issues and agree that cheap tactics such as zone attack spamming and vortex spamming are not fair and not indicative of skill.
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    Your post comes out a bit like salt tbh. But I do agree that the top 5-6 heroes all have very annoying tactics or 50/50's
    Sadly Ubisoft has said they like 50/50's so I'm not sure they are going to "fix" those things but instead give all other heroes the same crap.
    Just look at the Vortex "nerf" and the buff to Lawbringer. Nerf did pretty much nothing and Lawbringer got an annoying 50/50.

    I have hopes though that their "defensive meta" change will drastically change the game. But we will see. I'm hoping it at least nerves parry a bit. Today you get way too much for getting a parry. It is not that hard to do and you get good damage if it works or instant kill if there are environmentals nearby.

    p.s. If someone writes he is not doing something he usually is doing said thing
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    Yeah duelling atm is very boring. Hopefully when the turtle meta nerf goes through it'll make the mode playable at high level.
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    'Salty' is a word children use currently to describe anyone who doesn't agree with them. Not only is it childish, it's wrong. originally, the term of phrase was 'sour'. Salty is just stupid.

    Fairly sure they haven't said they like 50/50s. They're slowly nerfing them, albeit poorly at first.

    P.s assuming someone is doing something when they say otherwise is called 'not being able to read'.
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    Originally Posted by Mudflaaaps Go to original post
    'Salty' is a word children use currently to describe anyone who doesn't agree with them. Not only is it childish, it's wrong. originally, the term of phrase was 'sour'. Salty is just stupid.

    Fairly sure they haven't said they like 50/50s. They're slowly nerfing them, albeit poorly at first.

    P.s assuming someone is doing something when they say otherwise is called 'not being able to read'.
    "Salty" has nothing to do with disagreeing with someone, it's all about someone taking a loss way too hard. So is sour okay if it's the original term?
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    Side stepping is hands down the single best defense against these cheese tactics. even the Valk cheese can be bested by a well timed dash to the left or right.

    Secondly I'm going to address the OPs comments about unbeatable moves as well as the term "salty or sour(for those over 40).
    So in fighting games they work out mechanics to specifically negate a move from being "unbeatable". However they do have "unblockable" hits. Strikes that blow through an enemies defensive stance. Though bear in mind, even an unblockable attack can be parried. I parry kensei over head unblockable attacks regularly.
    I even managed to deflect a side unblockable. Though that was pure accident and I will likely never pull that one off if I tried.
    The point I'm making here , and the tie in for all this is when you say things like:

    Bottom line; cheap tactics don't mean you're good. They mean you're a loser and need to resort to cheap tactics to win.
    99.8% of duel players do nothing but spam their safe buttons.
    This isn't me crying, this is me pointing out obvious flaws which have been pointed out countless times.
    You come off as salty and whiney. And here's why:

    Your first comment. Cheap tactic or not, you lost. Even cheap tactics in this game can be punished. Especially in a slow setting like 1v1. So really you are the loser. By technicality, If nothing else.

    The second: pure hyperbole. In fact not the only one you used either. that's what defines whiners is an excessive use of misleading hyperbole.

    The final comment: if it isn't you whining what is it? Oh you are pointing out things that have been pointed out already. Cool.

    Wanna cookie?

    Sorry you are getting rekt kiddo.
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    Originally Posted by Antonioj26 Go to original post
    "Salty" has nothing to do with disagreeing with someone, it's all about someone taking a loss way too hard. So is sour okay if it's the original term?
    That's the real definition, yes. But a lot of people will just use it in lieu of a rebuttal. Oh no! This person has a far better and more logical standpoint than my own childish view! Better switch to the salty insults!
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    Oh, so you think zone attacks can be side stepped? Hilarious.
    The frames for zone attacks are so much lower than that of a side step (even of assassin characters). On console it is literally impossible to counter certain zone attacks, assuming you react after the move has been initiated (because as previously mentioned, the fps do not physically allow that).

    Wowee, you counter kensei unblockables. The most obvious attack in the game. Gee whiz kid, you must be amazing!
    Obviously not all unblockables are what I'm referring to as unbeatable. The kensei doesn't have a single vortex anyway...

    Unbeatable attacks are ones that cannot be avoided unless by pure luck. This includes certain zone attacks (my inspiration for the post was an orochi and peacekeeper CONTINUALLY spamming zone attacks to win, FYI I still won), and certain vortex moves (lawbringers shove follow up, wardens shoulder bash follow up.
    Guaranteed hits and safety buttons are what make this game mediocre.

    I cannot stress enough that UBISOFT ARE ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES.

    Your idea of what's hyperbole is wrong, as I have stated that the developers of the game are addressing the issues stated.

    'rekt' is another childishly vile word used by GIT GUD kids. So yeah, your argument is totally invalid. Thanks 'kiddo'. Go cry somewhere else.
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    Also, your lack of knowledge of this game is obvious. You think deflecting unblockables is difficult or luck? That's literally what deflect is for. I deflect unblockables all the time, no big deal.
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    Wow, someone actually pays attention to what the devs are saying! I agree, I hope the turtle nerf is as critical as they're suggesting.
    I can't help but feel that Ubisoft panders to the children who rely on cheap awful tactics, because that's the majority of players. I mean just look at this thread, I state literally nothing but fact and the kids are crying. It's sad really.
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