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[CandleInTheDark]

I can tell this argument is just not gonna go anywhere productive anytime soon. I have stated my point and I know many people agree with that point and I know people will disagree, but in that same breath I will also reiterate what I said in my own thread.


This is not a topic that is worth endlessly discussing and debating. There are far more pressing issues when it comes to this game and to prolong THIS discussion in particular over other more deserving issues would only be selfish on my part and I am not willing to do that.


So with that being said we will simply just have to agree to disagree. I wish you luck with your thread and look forward to hearing your insight into more important topics.

So in other words you are running away from a discussion. And let's talk about people agreeing and disagreeing, in fact I did a tally in your other thread. Including yourself, there were fourteen people who stated an opinion, nine went against your stated view. And here is the thing, you obviously thought that this was important enough to raise, but now people disagree with you, or most people that answered, it is suddenly not important. That is intellectual cowardice, running away from a debate, and attempting to do so by saying this suddenly isn't important enough to bother with, when you know you are in the minority.

[Delta1038]

You can use whatever excuses you want.


The facts and reality come down to the same two groups.


People who fight for their stats.


People who fight for the team.



Not saying that you cannot do both. I am saying the VAST majority are either one or the other. The reality of the game supports that fact.

Honest to god not trying to get into an endless debate here.

I wholeheartedly agree with this, by and large there are people who play for their own score and those who play for the good of the team. That is why I tell me teammates to think, dying does not help us, it only helps the other team. Personally I could care less whether I am the highest or lowest scorer on our team. Whether I die once of 10 times. What I care about is doing the best I can to help us win and in my mind 'get everyone home safe'. As such, I will fight to the death to hold a control point, take on 3 guys at once to get them off an ally, or turn and run from a fight that is not going in my favor. It is all a matter of context and what benefits the team the most. People can call me a coward if they want, I think they are not only wrong but foolish and the kind of limited thinkers I do not want on my team. Duel and brawl are for personal stats, skirmish and dominion are for the team. We can debate elimination a bit back and forth really.

[Elzziwelzzif]

I'd say you should get extra renown if you play the objective.

Ive had dominion games where i had 8-10 objective captures (where my teammates had 1-3), yet still i was deadlast with about 150 points.
Other games, where i just stood on the objective closest to my base (reading some stuff online until i heard the remarkable "ping" sound, indicating an enemy entered the objective) i landed top of the board with 600+ points.

Capturing points (as well as defending, the stuff which scores you objective points) should reward you more than brainless hunting enemies or afkstanding on a objective.
Currently NOT playing the objective rewards you more than playing it.

[CandleInTheDark]

I wholeheartedly agree with this, by and large there are people who play for their own score and those who play for the good of the team. That is why I tell me teammates to think, dying does not help us, it only helps the other team. Personally I could care less whether I am the highest or lowest scorer on our team. Whether I die once of 10 times. What I care about is doing the best I can to help us win and in my mind 'get everyone home safe'. As such, I will fight to the death to hold a control point, take on 3 guys at once to get them off an ally, or turn and run from a fight that is not going in my favor. It is all a matter of context and what benefits the team the most. People can call me a coward if they want, I think they are not only wrong but foolish and the kind of limited thinkers I do not want on my team. Duel and brawl are for personal stats, skirmish and dominion are for the team. We can debate elimination a bit back and forth really.

And that is my point, I am not looking to pad my score, I am looking to unlock my feats so that I can better help my team. I will help a teammate and will not abandon them, the moment they go down I have to decide what are my chances, if they are not good, then there is no way it is helping my team to give the other team an extra 5 points (in dominion, 27 I believe it is in skirmish) and giving renoun to one or more enemy players.

[Scorpion.1980]

So in other words you are running away from a discussion. And let's talk about people agreeing and disagreeing, in fact I did a tally in your other thread. Including yourself, there were fourteen people who stated an opinion, nine went against your stated view. And here is the thing, you obviously thought that this was important enough to raise, but now people disagree with you, or most people that answered, it is suddenly not important. That is intellectual cowardice, running away from a debate, and attempting to do so by saying this suddenly isn't important enough to bother with, when you know you are in the minority.

stop being childish, he admited, to agree to disagree. we all are allowed our opinions, he stated his, you stated yours, leave it there.

[CandleInTheDark]

I'd say you should get extra renown if you play the objective.

Ive had dominion games where i had 8-10 objective captures (where my teammates had 1-3), yet still i was deadlast with about 150 points.
Other games, where i just stood on the objective closest to my base (reading some stuff online until i heard the remarkable "ping" sound, indicating an enemy entered the objective) i landed top of the board with 600+ points.

Capturing points (as well as defending, the stuff which scores you objective points) should reward you more than brainless hunting enemies or afkstanding on a objective.
Currently NOT playing the objective rewards you more than playing it.

Some people do.

Warden Earn more Renown in the fights you are outnumbered in, by controlling objectives, and by also eliminating enemy soldiers to unlock your character’s feats in a match

Conqueror Gain more Renown by help saving Heroes, and also defending game objectives to unlock your feats in your matchs.

And there are others whose renown is spread along all activities. They will get renown for exactly what you described, I, as an assassin, do not. And the whole thing that started this off was someone complaining that peacekeepers, an assassin class, basically play to their objectives.

[Knight_Gregor]

As much as I hate to...
I kind of (about to throw up as I'm typing this) agree with CXS. To a certain extent I agree with you both.

I get that you have to win 1v1's and increase your killstreak. But what makes you think you can't hold or attack a point while doing so? In fact I bet you'd get more 1v1's doing so.

Of course, if this is about running away, then it's not exactly exclusive to the Peacekeeper and is a sound strategy to run away and heal to save your killstreak.

[CandleInTheDark]

As much as I hate to...
I kind of (about to throw up as I'm typing this) agree with CXS. To a certain extent I agree with you both.

I get that you have to win 1v1's and increase your killstreak. But what makes you think you can't hold or attack a point while doing so? In fact I bet you'd get more 1v1's doing so.

Of course, if this is about running away, then it's not exactly exclusive to the Peacekeeper and is a sound strategy to run away and heal to save your killstreak.

I do hold point, when they come one at a time and when the people that get points for defending our objectives are not doing so, I get kills and I get more healing. The moment it is a 1vx, or even if I am badly down on health and there is another point my team controls, it is time for me to disengage.

[CoyoteXStarrk]

So in other words you are running away from a discussion. And let's talk about people agreeing and disagreeing, in fact I did a tally in your other thread. Including yourself, there were fourteen people who stated an opinion, nine went against your stated view. And here is the thing, you obviously thought that this was important enough to raise, but now people disagree with you, or most people that answered, it is suddenly not important. That is intellectual cowardice, running away from a debate when you know you are in the minority.

My god you seriously will not let this go despite my own admittance that is was a poor thread.


Let me be a little less formal and a little more blunt and a little more honest. If you don't like my answer I honestly don't care. This has gone beyond my ability to care in relation to the importance of the topic.

I made the thread under the assumption that most people would agree and the thread would die after that just like 99% of threads here. The thread turned out to be more divisive than I anticipated and I could tell right away that the thread would turn into one of those threads that would become a cesspool of the two sides going at one and other for as long as they could.


Thats not what I wanted and to be honest the topic itself is not worth it. As I already have said there are more important topics of discussion that deserve far more attention. Whether it be about balance, bugs or various other items of concern. What people consider cowardice and whats not cowardice is NOT one of those topics.


Look Candle I know you don't like me and you grasp at any and all chances to hang me out to dry and I usually find it hilarious, but this isn't one of those times. Jump on me when I stand my ground on something stupid like I usually do. I have literally admitted the thread was a mistake on my part and even requested that it be closed and yet you are sitting there saying its because people are disagreeing with me.


Because people disagree with me? Are you serious? Have you seen my threads?


75% of everything I post is stuff people disagree with and you don't see me trying to have it closed. The mistake you are making here is that I give a CRAP what people have to say about my opinions. I am not quite so pathetic to need anonymous people on a gaming forum to agree with me in order to feel good or bad about myself. I post what I post and for the most part I don't care. Depending on what the topic is and what people say I usually could not POSSIBLY care less about what people have to say.


So when I say I don't wanna be detracting from more important topics I mean that. I have seen too many threads these past few weeks get more attention than thread that are actually important. I don't want one of my threads to be a thread that does that.


Especially over something so stupid and so obviously opinionated and that can't be proven by "Facts". Its pure personal viewpoint and thats not worth it. So if you are wanting an epic argument or pages and pages of me debating you on this I am sorry to disappoint.


We will simply have to agree to disagree. As I said if you wanna debate then by all means PM me.

[CandleInTheDark]

Look Candle I know you don't like me and you grasp at any and all chances to hang me out to dry and I usually find it hilarious, but this isn't one of those times. Jump on me when I stand my ground on something stupid like I usually do. I have literally admitted the thread was a mistake on my part and even requested that it be closed and yet you are sitting there saying its because people are disagreeing with me.

Excuse me but you're making assumptions about me here and this is something that not long ago I admitted I was on the other end of. I don't particularly dislike you and I don't feel it worth my time to actively dislike anyone in a forum, nor do I try to hang you out to dry, in fact there are many points we have agreed on, my disagreeing with you is no indication that I dislike you or want to make you look bad, it is an indication I disagree with you on the current point. Sometimes I word things strongly,sometimes I overstep a bound, sometimes my attacks stray from the argument, but I do not, have not and will never deliberately go out of my way to make a post just because it feels like getting one over on someone.