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[Captain-Courage]

I see a lot of misinformation on numerous classes regarding gender locking, or at least maybe misknowledge on historical warrior figures.

Now, if we could get a Gwendoline Christie-esque female lawbringer, a female warlord/shieldmaiden who gets to keep some of his bulk and waistline, and a female Shugoki, with every bit of humour we see in the shugoki emotes, the roster would really start to represent real life.

And yes, a fat, woman shugoki would have a lot of people spew hate, or, you know, be concerned for her health, but the fact that she would cause reactions doesn't mean she shouldnt exist. I think it might even mean she should.

Female Shugoki should never exist.
It would be as much disrecpectful for the japanese culture and mythology to create a female Shugoki than for the Scandinavian mythology and culture to have a male valkyrie.
Shugoki is inspired from the Oni. Oni are male exclusive yokai in the japanese folklore. So the class that represents them is male only.
The question of weight tolerance disparities towards males or females has no point here. At all. It has nothing to do at all with body posititivity, beauty standards, fat acceptance or whatever westerner problem here.
It's a cultural and historical matter. So please don't go on tha slippery slope it would only contribute to create issues where there are none.



Same thing about the Nobushi. A male nobushi would here again be disrespectful towards japanese historical figures and some of its koryus.
The Nobushi is directly inspired from the Onna Bugeisha. They had a fundamental role in japanese feudal society, and were the ones in charge of defending the fief when the local daimyo was in campagin (and it was not an easy task at all), and could also be found on the battlefield. Tomoe Gozen is the most famous example. The naginata has a strong symoblic meaning. It was, for the Onna Bugeisha, a symbol of their status, the same way the daisho is for the samurai. I personnally would be upset to see this trashed because fun, because "it's 2017", "genderlock is the evil incarnate" or whatever stupid argument.


Regarding physical models now, which is another matter than culture and history.
They are totally fit. Fit for the disciplines said warriors, male or female, are supposed to be trained into. Regarding the Valkyrie, her physic is totally fit for the task, along with her "body form" (meaning the way she stands, she moves, she strikes ...)
There are a lot of things to say about how they totally missed the mark with vikings in the game, but the physical shape of the warriors is not one of them. The only thing viking about them is that they live in a snowy region and have "google helmets". The rest is rubbish (bare naked with animal skins as a protection, horns, skull oranements ... all that crap ....)
They are fantasy Barbarians. But with a physical shape totally fit for the task.

[CandleInTheDark]

I see a lot of misinformation on numerous classes regarding gender locking, or at least maybe misknowledge on historical warrior figures.

Female Shugoki should never exist.
It would be as much disrecpectful for the japanese culture and mythology to create a female Shugoki than for the Scandinavian mythology and culture to have a male valkyrie.
Shugoki is inspired from the Oni. Oni are male exclusive yokai in the japanese folklore. So the class that represents them is male only.
The question of weight tolerance disparities towards males or females has no point here. At all. It has nothing to do at all with body posititivity, beauty standards fat acceptance or whatever, or whatever westerner problem.
It's a cultural and historical matter. So please don't go on tha slippery slope and stop creating issues where there are none.



Same thing about the Nobushi. A male nobushi would here again be disrespectful towards japanese historical figures and some of its koryus.
The Nobushi is directly inspired from the Onna Bugeisha. They had a fundamental role in japanese feudal society, and were the ones in charge of defending the fief when the local daimyo was in campagin, and could also be found on the battlefield. Tomoe Gozen is the most famous example. The Naginata has strong symoblic meaning. It was, for the Onna Bugeisha, a symbol of their status, the same way the daisho is for the samurai. I personnally would be upset to see this trashed because fun, because "it's 2017", "genderlock is the evil incarnated"" or whatever stupid argument.


Regarding physical models, now, which is another matter than culture and history.
They are totally fit. Fit for the disciplines said warriors are supposed to be trained into. Regarding the Valkyrie, her physic is totally fit for the task, along with her "body form" (meaning the way she stands, she moves, she strikes ...)
There are a lot of things to say about how they totally missed the mark with vikings in the game, but the physical shape of the warriors is not one of them. The only thing viking about them is that they live in a snowy region and have "google helmets". The rest is rubbish (bare naked with animal skins as a protection, horns, skull oranements ... all that crap ....)
They are fantasy Barbarians. But with a physical shape totally fit for the task.

Exactly this, the knight gender locked characters I sort of think they were there to keep gender locked characters even, but with both of the samurai and vikings, you would need an entirely new name and an entirely new lore as well as the new skin to do something similar with the same moveset.

[Oni-Nikuya]

To the original point, I agree that the female raider runs kinda awkwardly.

[Dakaal]

I want close my main topic about the running animation with some Female Rider Video from Closed Alpha Dominion, unfortunately I didn't find any video with female berserker from Closed Alpha
Note: the running animation was way better then, i think because she had the same animation like the male version " and by the way the female Rider body looks just fine i dont have any problem with it"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78CtSNGDWr0&t=82s this is Closed Alpha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w92yqUQyPA&t=4s this is the actual state of the game " I didn't find any female Rider Dominion to actually see a longer animation"

And for the Valkyrie Body, i just wish she could have been a little slimmer, she is my main and i like her but her bulkiness "in my eyes" make it hard to believe that she can move so fast and jump so further away

One more thing, I saw a post that said "I also don't think they look even close to the female bodybuilders (that use roids, HGH).
The female raider is the most muscular woman in the game and to me she looks like a tall powerlifter."

I bet you that if u put those power lifters run and jump like "Valkyrie dose" they will be very inefficient like I said in my previous post "Women can develop their skeletal muscles to increase strength too. You still need to stay within your ideal weight range to keep your strength proportionate with your size"

thank you for all the comments on the Thread

Have a nice day

[Pope138]

One more thing, I saw a post that said "I also don't think they look even close to the female bodybuilders (that use roids, HGH).
The female raider is the most muscular woman in the game and to me she looks like a tall powerlifter."

I bet you that if u put those power lifters run and jump like "Valkyrie dose" they will be very inefficient like I said my previous post "Women can develop their skeletal muscles to increase strength too. You still need to stay within your ideal weight range to keep your strength proportionate with your size"

Have a nice day

I would take that bet.
Powerlifters don't just rely on strong muscles to lift heavy weight, they also train explosivity. I've seen powerlifters leap from a squat position (palms on the ground inbetween feet, knees at full bend) to the top of a 5 foot stack of boxes.
I just got in to powerlifting 2 years ago and am realizing just how bogus the stereotypes are. We're not all fat, immobile, gluttons with deviated septums.

But if you want to see a real life female raider/Valkyrie, just youtube female crossfit competitions. You'll find very muscular, very dexterous women running and jumping.

[AkenoKobayashi]

Give the PK a fat *** that increases her hit box.

[Miefmatrose]

There is this one game where women actually wear practical armor for fights that seems to do its purpose, and now people want sex dolls with fantasy armor.

Get out of here.

There is plenty of that stuff out there in the internet, just go there.

[Pillow_Hands]

I know they are warriors but still, a female warrior still looks feminine...

Give me a well cited source that shows warrior women in history still being feminine while in battle.

[bmason1000]

I've paid extra attention to how the femRaider runs...

...and honestly I still don't find anything wrong with it.

That's basically what women look like when they run with a straight, upright posture.

Yeah, I've been paying extra attention to the run animations as well. Berserkers also look totally normal. If you have a narrow waist, large upper body and are carrying something in both hands, that's exactly how you would run.