Raider Turtles Are Way Too Much Unbreakable | Forums

[Kraxers]

Hello
We all know turtle meta is a thing and we are all aware of turtle warlords and poke and stay away assassins. But when it comes to raiders it is beyond measure. Any "high level" raider just waiting for you to attack. If you are depending on bash kind of a thing like lb warden conq (please dont go stupid there just saying then use this and bla bla against a good raider you cant just throw random lights and hope for best if you are any of these knights. Risk/profit is really poor) it is just staring contest. I played against lots of raiders and they just wait for you to do something stupid (like attacking or trying your bash duh) so they can grab you. So I am not kidding here when I play against a raider I just wait for him too otherwise I will eventually lose. So if it is a duel it is 5 minutes staring contest each round. If it is 4v4 it keeps going like that until someone arrives.
I am not saying you should nerf raider. Raider is really weak this is why they are playing like that. I think they should add some offensive skills to raider and remove his ultimate turtling ability with sidestep gb. Because even if you give him nice offensive skills nothing will stop them from just going full turtle when they are losing. I think raider needs a rework overall.

[LastManGunning]

everyday there's always someone claiming characters are not balanced. the more changes ubi make, the more they have to adjust the other characters to balance out the changes. rinse and repeat. look at the moba games, how long has it been since their first release? yet, they are still "balancing characters" with every single patch. it's a never ending cycle. this isn't burger king, you can't always have it your way. complain about it when your name is on top 10 board, at least then you would look like you have some idea of what you're talking about.

[Moondyne_MC]

While I do feel your frustration with the turtle meta, do the Knight class players have anything to complain about?

Warden -- still the same 50/50 shovespam with UBs that bypass turtling
Lawb -- turtle-shovespam with new 50/50s from 1.06
Conq -- ULTIMATE turtle, 1-pattern spam
PK -- only Knight class without an UB spamming tactic


I've already seen the general consensus surrounding the Lawb turtle-shove spamming getting higher, and the Warden shoulderspam vortex still very much alive... and I'm not sure for which Knight class you're rooting for, but I can probably bet that whatever you play, spam or not, you probably still make a living out of those god-forsaken closerange UBs.

So I don't see why your complaining here, especially against classes that have no cheap-shot, UB-50/50 spamming move at all.

You do realise he was asking to buff the Raider by giving him some more offensive options, right? He wasn't really complaining about turtling as such, moreso about the fact that a character that should be highly aggressive is often forced to play highly defensively.

[Kraxers]

But I don't want a buff on my Raider.

I want the shi* wiped clean from the handful of classes that have those, instead of proposing spreading the shi* around so now everyone's rear-end is smeared brown. The lack of "aggression" rises from the fact that it backfires so badly in face of defense, as well as the fact no amount of your fierce attack matches upto a 1-button easymode unblockable-unparriable-uncounterable-guaranteed damage spams.

1. If the Raider's buffed with "normal" skills, then it's simply block/parried by turtles, thus, no effect.
2. If the Raider's given similar easymode, UB-UP-UC-50/50 spams, then Raider also joins the shi*pile of one-pattern spamming cheeseballs.

I don't think any of those two is viable at all. You don't spread shi* around. You clean it.

Well if you are okay if I stare at you for 5 minutes after I realise you are just waiting for me to attack it is ok. Let's just look each other.