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[Jagermind]

Must be ultra-low-tier you are currently Matchmaking-wise.

Wait: https://fhtracker.com/profile/psn/Jagermind/heroes

Hahaha, sorry, but this is embarrassing. You say you "stomp" with the PK, but have what?

Player K/D
0.87
Player K/A/D
1.15
Win Ratio
50%

Yeah, looks like you totally stomp in all your Matches. Oh man, you literally shot yourself in the knee really badly. Pfff, cannot stop laughing. "10-15 Takedowns with 1-2 Deaths in the majority of games" busted

Now on your other Trash:

- Kensei unblockable Feat: Yeah, you only have to Parry one which will allow you to get over 5 Seconds. Remaining time of all unblockable Feat: 25 seconds. And you can Parry a PK with Sharpen Blade / Defense debuff, too. Or run away. Or just BLOCK his Attacks. I just said that in Close Combat I fear a Kensei with that Buff more than a PK with Sharpen Blade etc.

- I can sometimes pull off 1v2 or even 1v3, but only when opponents are bad, have no CC and I have sharpen blade / defense debuff + Revenge. In my skill bracket this rarely happens, but when it does the adrenaline rushes through my veins. Awesome! But I have seen other Characters pulling this off, too.

- GB into Stab is good on other Low-Health Characters with 0 Debuff Reduction. Completely worthless against Warden's in Elim / Dom cause of Feat lvl 2. I would trade Triple-Stab any Day for a guaranteed Heavy.

WOAH A stat site. That's dope, can I see yours??? Yeah you got me, I've had bad games / bad teams on a character I picked up for one day. I've also had long chains of extremely good games on a character I don't know how to play for **** compared to characters I've actually spent time on. If youre gonna list all the **** that counters all the **** I list that counters all the **** you list well be here all day. Oh NOOOO one character has a lvl 2 feat that makes some of your kit useless, its almost like you can parry into other combos and take the free heavy instead of a GB.

I'm thoroughly convinced though charmzzzzzzzzzz you did it. You've convinced me youre a crybaby PK. You've validated the stereo type. Impressive.

[Charmzzz]

WOAH A stat site. That's dope, can I see yours??? Yeah you got me, I've had bad games / bad teams on a character I picked up for one day. I've also had long chains of extremely good games on a character I don't know how to play for **** compared to characters I've actually spent time on. If youre gonna list all the **** that counters all the **** I list that counters all the **** you list well be here all day. Oh NOOOO one character has a lvl 2 feat that makes some of your kit useless, its almost like you can parry into other combos and take the free heavy instead of a GB.

I'm thoroughly convinced though charmzzzzzzzzzz you did it. You've convinced me youre a crybaby PK. You've validated the stereo type. Impressive.

Oh man, now you turnaround 180° and say that you s*ck on PK because you only played it one day? Really? Should I quote AGAIN where you said that you completely dominated with PK right after you started playing it? Wait, you blame it on your team, even though you "flat out murdered" in 1v3's / 1v4's and killed "15 people while dying only 1-2 times"? Completely different statements now. Pathetic guy is pathetic...

My Stats:
https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/Charmzzz/heroes

Yes, one Character has a Feat that makes me almost completely useless against him. All others can up Debuff Reduction and gain a LARGE advantage over me with that.

Thing is, you cannot always get a Parry, if the opponent dodges -> you can only GB to punish it. Triple Stab: 0 Damage on a lvl 2 Warden, not even 1 bar on a lvl 2 Warlord. But hey, I dont cry about it. I understand that every class should have some counters in this game, those 2 are mine.

All your insults and hate affects me peripheral. You Sir are a Trashtalker par excellence.

[Juuzaam]

And now you say "but but PK can do 15 FPS Light from any side". True. But e.g. Valk can do this, too, only her followup Light is slower. And Warden / Orochi have a ZA that is like 3 Frames slower than that of the PK. Not much difference, eh?

Hahaaa, exactly what i wrote 2 sides earlier in this thread. So, again the game is all about the getting a safe hit.:
The first light on his own is not the problem, the 3 directions are not the problem.
It is the combination with the zoneflicker!!! You constantly have to guess, is it a true light or a flicker zone. The 9frame zone is close to unparryable, because anticipating and parrying the zone is fairly hard. It is by far easier vs Orochi and unimportant vs Warden (because unsafe on block). These 3 frames are a gamechanger!

The pure fact that legion unchained won the last 1v1 tournament with pk in the finals just proves the fact how op she still is, or how broken the flicker mechanic.

Thing is, you cannot always get a Parry, if the opponent dodges -> you can only GB to punish it. Triple Stab: 0 Damage on a lvl 2 Warden, not even 1 bar on a lvl 2 Warlord

Wouldnt it be great if pk had something like Warden or Warlord too? Oh wait...she got. *cough* tankassasin *cough*

You can not deny how ****ing op PK is, taking the smallest amount of damage, while dealing safe poke damage and hitting people like a truck with a gb punisher from hell.

[Charmzzz]

Hahaaa, exactly what i wrote 2 sides earlier in this thread. So, again the game is all about the getting a safe hit.:
The first light on his own is not the problem, the 3 directions are not the problem.
It is the combination with the zoneflicker!!! You constantly have to guess, is it a true light or a flicker zone. The 9frame zone is close to unparryable, because anticipating and parrying the zone is fairly hard. It is by far easier vs Orochi and unimportant vs Warden (because unsafe on block). These 3 frames are a gamechanger!

The pure fact that legion unchained won the last 1v1 tournament with pk in the finals just proves the fact how op she still is, or how broken the flicker mechanic.


Wouldnt it be great if pk had something like Warden or Warlord too? Oh wait...she got. *cough* tankassasin *cough*

You can not deny how ****ing op PK is, taking the smallest amount of damage, while dealing safe poke damage and hitting people like a truck with a gb punisher from hell.

Broken Flicker: true.
OP PK: Not anymore due to Nerfs of ZA and Light Chains.

They try to fix Flicker soon, let's see how this will affect Orochi and PK first before swinging the Nerfbat again and again. Aaand stop coming up with a Pro-Player who won a Tournament by Bugabusing, this is NOT relevant in normal gameplay. He is a PRO. He uses a BUG to win. You WONT face him many times. And not all Orochi / PK Players use Zone-Flicker to win, if they do, well, Bugabuser...

You mean the lvl 2 Feat I guess. Yeah, this makes the PK "tanky", before that I'm dead with 3 Heavy Attacks. Start HP of PK: 120. Feat gives 25% Damage reduction.

But don't you dare to compare it to a Warlord who gets:

- Deadly: 15% damage increase; Rank 1

- Flesh Wound: 25% more defense; Rank 2

- Tough as Nails: +35 Base HP (175 max then); Rank 3

- Revive: Revive yourself; Rank 4

And don't you dare to compare PK to Warden, the one Character with the best Attack move in the game (bash vortex), a lvl 2 Feat which completely nullifies PK's GB, Deflect, Heavy into Light and every Heavy followup Bleed. ZA of Warden: 500ms, PK: 400ms. Top Light both: 500ms

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Kgc/edit#gid=0

Edit: Do you have a Link to that tournament you mentioned? Cannot find it anywhere.

[Gray360UK]

In my opinion the WORST of all those nerfs, is really, nerf of side step strike damage. Like WTF it's not making EVEN 1/3 of a bar, it's a "strong" attack button FFS yet it is on par/weaker than orochis and bers's "light" side step... huh...!?

Agree totally, feels so wrong to correctly time that move and land what was always supposed to be a heavy attack and have it not even kill someone who has half of one health bar left. You're better off doing two lights. Ubisoft sure have a funny way to encourage people to stop using lights too much.

[DaLokTik]

"This is absolutely ridiculous how are you going to nerf the Peacekeeper like her fast attacks make the Peacekeeper the bleeding makes the Peacekeeper just because people keep complaining because they can't block her attacks thats sad its mostly lottle kids, the Berserkers should be nerfed that is totally unbelievable all that character does is spam. And the hits on the beserker does twice as much damage like what the heck. Oh and don't get me started on the spam with Valkyries please adjust those two instead of adjusting you know the Peacekeeper"

I just want to say I think a child wrote this post. Please do yourself a favor the next time you are trying to make a point on a public forum, take your time and re-read before posting. This way you do not sound like a complete idiot and people might actually take your post seriously. One last thing when you see squiggly red lines under your words, that means they are not spelled correctly .

[Jagermind]

Oh man, now you turnaround 180° and say that you s*ck on PK because you only played it one day? Really? Should I quote AGAIN where you said that you completely dominated with PK right after you started playing it? Wait, you blame it on your team, even though you "flat out murdered" in 1v3's / 1v4's and killed "15 people while dying only 1-2 times"? Completely different statements now. Pathetic guy is pathetic...

My Stats:
https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/Charmzzz/heroes

Yes, one Character has a Feat that makes me almost completely useless against him. All others can up Debuff Reduction and gain a LARGE advantage over me with that.

Thing is, you cannot always get a Parry, if the opponent dodges -> you can only GB to punish it. Triple Stab: 0 Damage on a lvl 2 Warden, not even 1 bar on a lvl 2 Warlord. But hey, I dont cry about it. I understand that every class should have some counters in this game, those 2 are mine.

All your insults and hate affects me peripheral. You Sir are a Trashtalker par excellence.

Yeah sorry I didn't start out from lvl 0 stomping people I died quite a bit while I got used to reactive guard. Over the last few days I've seldom had any trouble with her sans getting cc locked- but any class has that issue. You say youre not on here *****ing but that's literally exactly what youre on here doing. Your stats are fantastic, congrats on playing the top two most broken heroes exclusively. You've lost any right to comment on balance in this game. You have the most shallow perspective I've ever seen. You play TWO, 2, DOS classes. A PK and a Warden.

Youll swap to another class only when they get nerfed to being on the same tier as everyone else. I'm done wasting time with you, it was fun for a few days and I even thought we'd have a civil discussion but you come in here defending your main because its one of the two classes you actually know how to use, and no surprise the other is in the top 3 for most brokenly ridiculous classes in the game. get out of here kid.

[Juuzaam]

Edit: Do you have a Link to that tournament you mentioned? Cannot find it anywhere.

Its been the weekly "FHL´s Wolf Den" afaik the last of the 1v1 tournament series. https://battlefy.com/for-honor-legends
I have been watching skys and the Orochi that made it into the final.

Just btw, you did it again charmzzz. Every time someone brings an argument, your answer is "But.." the same way i mentioned it a few pages before.

The strength of a character in a beat em up is measured by the amount of positive and negative match ups. You usualy keep mentioning pks match ups in specific situations, to just show yourself that it is not that op...like anyone would believe this
We got 2 gameversions (PC/Console), we got several different game modes, with feats on/off, gear on/off, combined options in tournaments and seperated revenge rules.
The defined "strength" of a hero depends on the preferred game mode of a specific player, because a MU might change under different circumstances.
In general PK is almost always on top in all of these. This doesn´t mean she is is always the #1, but she is probably always top 3. She always got way more pos MU than neg MU.
The only 2 MU where she is not leading overall are vs Warden and Warlord, but i dont see her falling apart vs these either.

For myself, handicapped with kbm, which slows me down as ****, kind of stealing my option to out pace an opponent, (thx ubi for the great controlls for sticks and gamepad users that hate thumpsticks!!!) playing Valky as a "main" vs pk is just a joke in every game mode under any circumstances on PC.
Not every hero is lost vs pk like valk, but the majority is completly behind. So maybe you want to start thinking about how the remaining 9 Heros are supposed to have an edge vs PK.
Still, Pk is op, game is completly broken in terms of bugs/techs & meta. We need a fix for the bugs, a change in the meta and probably a lot buffs for the weak heros or a few nerfs for the op ones.

[Charmzzz]

You can call me biased as much as you want, I don't give a f*ck about it because you are biased, too. Everyone is. You hate to lose vs a Light spamming PK. I can understand that, BUT I AM NOT ONE OF THOSE.

PK still "OP" on Console? Because a Pro won a tournament last week with PK using the Flicker? Wow, much evidence.

One guy telling us it is suuuper easy to rule with a PK, but has less than mediocre Stats on her. And then saying I "lost my right" to comment on balance, typicall american as*hole. For sure I can tell MUCH MORE about the PK than you. Good matchups, bad matchups, which moves work and which dont.

This discussion is worthless anyway, because (thank god) UBI wont listen to all crybabies and nerf everything what is "broken" in the forums. I am sorry they said they wont have different balance patches on PC and Console, I can totally understand your frustration about this. But nerfing a Character to an unviable state is not the way to go. Currently, in my skill-bracket, I am facing people who constantly block ALL my Light's from neutral. I do not play the PK like the FOTM players spamming ZA / Light's only, if I would my Winrate and K/D would su*k.

As I repeat again and again: Nerf PK Light's without giving her a new Move to open up an Opponent means rendering her unviable. This would only enforce even more Turtle-Meta. But you are too salty and biased about losing to a PK to understand that. And you have way too LESS playtime on PK to objectivels say it is OP (Juuzaam has no playtime at all, Jagermind at a 50% Winrate after 8hrs which is pretty fine imo).

Especially Juuzaam should not have problems with PK because he plays on PC. I can Block/Parry about 70% of other PK Light's (including 2nd Light's) and ZA. If not more. Juuzaam you play mostly Valk and Warden, both have fast Guardchange-Times. What does that tell you? Maybe you are just not fast enough? And because of that you want UBI to nerf the Character in the only thing that is GOOD on her? ^^

[Juuzaam]

Especially Juuzaam should not have problems with PK because he plays on PC. I can Block/Parry about 70% of other PK Light's (including 2nd Light's) and ZA. If not more. Juuzaam you play mostly Valk and Warden, both have fast Guardchange-Times. What does that tell you? Maybe you are just not fast enough? And because of that you want UBI to nerf the Character in the only thing that is GOOD on her? ^^

You should already know, it depends on the pk. If i am brain afk or to slow i just deserve to get taken down by a pk spaming lights, nothing to talk or even complain about. (except Ubis stupid controlls, but this is another thread)
But there are these PKs that know how to play, making it impossible for Valky(and other heros as well) to stand a chance. The problem is a specific playstyle by using 2 broken mechanics.
The defense by spacing and whiffpunishing, where pk got 2 great tools. (gb and zone)
The other mechanic is the off by flicker. Which is almost without any risk, since the 9frame zone is not as "easy" to parry as an Orochi zone.

I have seen how iskys lost vs a flicker Orochi twice, if you are able to block/parry like 70% of pks 12frame lights (which are hard to see imo) you should probably join 1v1 tournaments. Because in theory you should have a positive risk reward by defending vs this with this ratio. (iskys is obv around 50% in tournaments and often gets into ro16 -> semis)