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[Jagermind]

Yeah, must be totally broken, that's why they have less winrate on Console than on PC. I'm out, just a pathetic discussion with a salty guy.

CHARMZZZZ You were so close to having a civil discussion! You almost did it bud! Fun story, today I gbed a Shugo and triple stabbed him for 100 percent of his hp. It was insane and not broken at all! Oh more fun stories, I 3v1d and, using her astoundingly fast executes, managed to come out untouched HP wise thanks to the hp regen from a feat and execute hp. Man, it was super fun. It didn't appear to be all that hard, I can 1v3 or 1v4 on Conq but I thought it was due to his high hp and survival, I have trouble killing more than 1 or 2 though before my team comes to help. But its not the same on PK, I flat out murdered them. They tried to get away, or at least the last guy did, I used a dashing heavy to leap half way across the ****ing planet and shanked him in the back into an execute.

I mean, I'm only rep 1 with her now and its been pretty smooth sailing, someone on my team has to AFK or troll for me to have an off game at all.

I tried to give ya an olive branch and have a mutual discussion about a class and your only reaction is to crawl up inside your own ******* and stroke your ridiculously inflated ego and tell everyone to GIT GUD. Get bent and get over it.

[Charmzzz]

CHARMZZZZ You were so close to having a civil discussion! You almost did it bud! Fun story, today I gbed a Shugo and triple stabbed him for 100 percent of his hp. It was insane and not broken at all! Oh more fun stories, I 3v1d and, using her astoundingly fast executes, managed to come out untouched HP wise thanks to the hp regen from a feat and execute hp. Man, it was super fun. It didn't appear to be all that hard, I can 1v3 or 1v4 on Conq but I thought it was due to his high hp and survival, I have trouble killing more than 1 or 2 though before my team comes to help. But its not the same on PK, I flat out murdered them. They tried to get away, or at least the last guy did, I used a dashing heavy to leap half way across the ****ing planet and shanked him in the back into an execute.

I mean, I'm only rep 1 with her now and its been pretty smooth sailing, someone on my team has to AFK or troll for me to have an off game at all.

I tried to give ya an olive branch and have a mutual discussion about a class and your only reaction is to crawl up inside your own ******* and stroke your ridiculously inflated ego and tell everyone to GIT GUD. Get bent and get over it.

The Shugo 100-0: Shugo takes what, 25% (?) more Damage when his Hyperarmor is down? That plus you had "Sharpen Blade" and maybe the Defense Debuff (Feat lvl 4) running, correct? Well, that is 30 Seconds of UBERDAMAGE, I give you that. But did you ever face a Kensei using his "every Attack is an unblockable" Feat plus the Defense Debuff Feat? I can tell you it is even MORE frightening than the Sharpen Blade + Defense Debuff Combo from the PK because you have to parry EVERY Attack or run if you can.

3v1 vs decent people is almost impossible. You get Revenge and start, in the worst case, spamming ZA cancels. If they are good they just put their Guard on the right side - PK denied.

Running away from a PK? Yeah, really decent people you have in your example... Seriously, you stomped some Noobs. Must be PK that is OP, not like you could have stomped them with any other Character. ^^

[Jagermind]

The Shugo 100-0: Shugo takes what, 25% (?) more Damage when his Hyperarmor is down? That plus you had "Sharpen Blade" and maybe the Defense Debuff (Feat lvl 4) running, correct? Well, that is 30 Seconds of UBERDAMAGE, I give you that. But did you ever face a Kensei using his "every Attack is an unblockable" Feat plus the Defense Debuff Feat? I can tell you it is even MORE frightening than the Sharpen Blade + Defense Debuff Combo from the PK because you have to parry EVERY Attack or run if you can.

3v1 vs decent people is almost impossible. You get Revenge and start, in the worst case, spamming ZA cancels. If they are good they just put their Guard on the right side - PK denied.

Running away from a PK? Yeah, really decent people you have in your example... Seriously, you stomped some Noobs. Must be PK that is OP, not like you could have stomped them with any other Character. ^^

The shugo was just with SB applied. But if that's not broken enough I can still do 90 percent of a Conqs or LBs hp pool. My god I have to use a super fast ZA after I bleed them to secure a kill. Its completely balanced.

Kenseis everything is unblockable buff is troublesome. You don't need to parry every attack. Literally just one. Parry, Grab N Stab, continue the punishment train. Kensei sends you a post card letting you know where hes attacking from, even if he cancels and changes direction he still calls ahead so you don't get worried about him being out late or anything. hes a good son. Fo r Christ sake the least you could do is show some effort and dodge/ deflect his 4 minute wind up attacks.

My word how badly have you been stomped that you cant 1vX with PK? Who hurt you?! Show me on this doll where they touched you my sweet salty boy. Even in situations when I get off to a bad start I'm literally so god damned fast no one has a chance in hell of catching me that isn't another PK, maybe orochi on a really good day.

Thanks for the fun couple days tho. You encouraged me to pick up PK as my next project to gear, though I'm still going to stay on Conq mainly. Shes fun to play and it was so super simple to pick her up and start taking 10-15 takedowns with 1 or 2 deaths in the majority of my games. Great for blowing through those assassin missions I've been neglecting since putting down Zerk.

OH I'll give you one concession. I cant for the life of me figure out why so many classes that are slower than her get free heavies off of GB but her GB heavy is so god damned slow you can block it. Oh wait ****, the stabbing that's right. Never mind. totally forgot about the 1/4 of someones max hp. That you can rip off for free. I, man it just so easy to do I forget about the trade offs you have to make for it.

[Charmzzz]

The shugo was just with SB applied. But if that's not broken enough I can still do 90 percent of a Conqs or LBs hp pool. My god I have to use a super fast ZA after I bleed them to secure a kill. Its completely balanced.

Kenseis everything is unblockable buff is troublesome. You don't need to parry every attack. Literally just one. Parry, Grab N Stab, continue the punishment train. Kensei sends you a post card letting you know where hes attacking from, even if he cancels and changes direction he still calls ahead so you don't get worried about him being out late or anything. hes a good son. Fo r Christ sake the least you could do is show some effort and dodge/ deflect his 4 minute wind up attacks.

My word how badly have you been stomped that you cant 1vX with PK? Who hurt you?! Show me on this doll where they touched you my sweet salty boy. Even in situations when I get off to a bad start I'm literally so god damned fast no one has a chance in hell of catching me that isn't another PK, maybe orochi on a really good day.

Thanks for the fun couple days tho. You encouraged me to pick up PK as my next project to gear, though I'm still going to stay on Conq mainly. Shes fun to play and it was so super simple to pick her up and start taking 10-15 takedowns with 1 or 2 deaths in the majority of my games. Great for blowing through those assassin missions I've been neglecting since putting down Zerk.

OH I'll give you one concession. I cant for the life of me figure out why so many classes that are slower than her get free heavies off of GB but her GB heavy is so god damned slow you can block it. Oh wait ****, the stabbing that's right. Never mind. totally forgot about the 1/4 of someones max hp. That you can rip off for free. I, man it just so easy to do I forget about the trade offs you have to make for it.

Must be ultra-low-tier you are currently Matchmaking-wise.

Wait: https://fhtracker.com/profile/psn/Jagermind/heroes

Hahaha, sorry, but this is embarrassing. You say you "stomp" with the PK, but have what?

Player K/D
0.87
Player K/A/D
1.15
Win Ratio
50%

Yeah, looks like you totally stomp in all your Matches. Oh man, you literally shot yourself in the knee really badly. Pfff, cannot stop laughing. "10-15 Takedowns with 1-2 Deaths in the majority of games" busted

Now on your other Trash:

- Kensei unblockable Feat: Yeah, you only have to Parry one which will allow you to get over 5 Seconds. Remaining time of all unblockable Feat: 25 seconds. And you can Parry a PK with Sharpen Blade / Defense debuff, too. Or run away. Or just BLOCK his Attacks. I just said that in Close Combat I fear a Kensei with that Buff more than a PK with Sharpen Blade etc.

- I can sometimes pull off 1v2 or even 1v3, but only when opponents are bad, have no CC and I have sharpen blade / defense debuff + Revenge. In my skill bracket this rarely happens, but when it does the adrenaline rushes through my veins. Awesome! But I have seen other Characters pulling this off, too.

- GB into Stab is good on other Low-Health Characters with 0 Debuff Reduction. Completely worthless against Warden's in Elim / Dom cause of Feat lvl 2. I would trade Triple-Stab any Day for a guaranteed Heavy.

[bananaflow2017]

Actually the problem is stilm her speed.
In console it's just that u feint top and atack Left or right first (guess its also faster than guardswitches)and the second light is safe cuz it's definately faster than guardswitch.
Also u never have to counter gb cuz when u never stop spamming rb .
Just weird whole Mechanics dont have to be learned by Players cuz yeah....

[Charmzzz]

Actually the problem is stilm her speed.
In console it's just that u feint top and atack Left or right first (guess its also faster than guardswitches)and the second light is safe cuz it's definately faster than guardswitch.
Also u never have to counter gb cuz when u never stop spamming rb .
Just weird whole Mechanics dont have to be learned by Players cuz yeah....

Then WHY does PK in general have a lower Winrate on Console than on PC? And why does Jagermind NOT STOMP with the recently picked up PK? If it is THAT easy and the Character is totally OP on Console, why doesnt it work all the time?

Because it is the player, not the Character anymore after the Nerfs. But whine more about it, soon YOUR Main will be in Focus after PK got trashed.

[bananaflow2017]

Then WHY does PK in general have a lower Winrate on Console than on PC? And why does Jagermind NOT STOMP with the recently picked up PK? If it is THAT easy and the Character is totally OP on Console, why doesnt it work all the time?

Because it is the player, not the Character anymore after the Nerfs. But whine more about it, soon YOUR Main will be in Focus after PK got trashed.

At first: Show me from where u got that Information.
Then is it spared into Low and high duells?
U just throw this into the room without any kind of Link or anything.
The fact that she profits from the 30 fps issue just makes this senseless.

And Yes it works for exactly 66,6666%.

Her first light is at 15-16 Frames in console.
My guardswitch is at 6 Frames.
So i got a reaction time of 99.6 ms ( not even 1/10 of a second)to react in that and i didnt even include controler Input lag... ur second light is even faster and the za has same Speed as ur second light. The parry Frame is probably the half if this time. And about parrys u dont even Need to think....
This is just far away from any kind of human reaction time and other characters like Raider even guardswitch to slow for this.
Nobody likes his Main getting nerfed i Really understand that but this is simply to fast dir any kind of human beings.
She needs to her and other Tool.

This is just an observation not a whine thread. Im not this kind of player....
When I realise Stuff like this i usually abuse this by my own XD.
It Sounds weird nur i really like this game and i want it to last longer and i like Diversity in this games...


My data is from
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitive...er_frame_data/

I also mention this Data is from pc. U need some maths to put this on console frames.

[Charmzzz]

At first: Show me from where u got that Information.
Then is it spared into Low and high duells?
U just throw this into the room without any kind of Link or anything.
The fact that she profits from the 30 fps issue just makes this senseless.

And Yes it works for exactly 66,6666%.

Her light is at 15-16 Frames in console.
My guardswitch is at 6 Frames.
So i got a reaction time of 99.6 ms to react in that and i didnt even include controler Input lag... ur second light is even faster and the za has same Speed as ur second light. The parry Frame is probably the half if this time.
This is just far away from any kind of human reaction time and other characters like Raider even guardswitch to slow for this.
Nobody likes his Main getting nerfed i Really understand that but this is simply to fast dir any kind of human beings.
She needs to her and other Tool.

My data is from
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitive...er_frame_data/

I also mention this Data is from pc. U need some maths to put this on console frames.

1. Source of Info where Ubi Dev stated that the Winrate of PK is higher on PC than on Console was last Warrior's Den: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxH5iUutSEo

2. On Console, sure, it is a very small window to react to an incoming Light of a PK. But there are PLENTY of 15 FPS Light Attacks in the Game, like Warden Top, Orochi Top, LB Top, Valk Top and Side. Also your Data is 2 Months old, it does not mention the recovery Time the PK now has after Light - Light - Combo interrupt. THIS is where you punish if you couldnt block the hits!

And now you say "but but PK can do 15 FPS Light from any side". True. But e.g. Valk can do this, too, only her followup Light is slower. And Warden / Orochi have a ZA that is like 3 Frames slower than that of the PK. Not much difference, eh?

3. Raider DOES NOT Guardswitch too slow for a Light Attack. At least on PC I can 100% confirm this because I have faced a MLG-Raider-Pro who blocked/parried 100% of my Light's. Not ONE got through!

Edit: 4. They can nerf PK more, I don't care if they slower down the Light Attacks if I get Hyperarmor / guaranteed Heavy after GB / Unblockable Attack / Bash for it. You see what I did there? PK has nothing of these, what should PK do if you take the Light Attack speed away? Turtle up and wait to counterstrike? Ah yes, this is what we REALLY want more in this game. ^^

[SkyNet-379]

In my opinion the WORST of all those nerfs, is really, nerf of side step strike damage. Like WTF it's not making EVEN 1/3 of a bar, it's a "strong" attack button FFS yet it is on par/weaker than orochis and bers's "light" side step... huh...!?

[bananaflow2017]

There are other alternatives to this.
And the other characters punish you for not dodging the first light with what?
Valk punishes you with an easy reactable light. Orochi got nothing real.
The warden is unrealistic they dont atack XD.
Pk gives u another light and bleed dmg.
And another light and another and another. U simply need luck to defend this.
This 3 Frames are a huge difference at least for me XD this opens the gap die nearly 100ms what doubles the reaction time.
Turtle meta is a completely other problem. Actually you are right, every character without tools like the unparriables are basicly dead in duells.
Look at kensei or Raider or.....
Even with a valk it's more than just hard to Open up a turtle cuz there is nothing after the first light. But like i allready told it's a completely other peoblem. Cuz when they do it before she is just another not turteling character.....