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[Jagermind]

Alright, you take one of the BEST Characters to open up a turtle as an example? Are you serious?

Warden compared to PK:
- SB / GB 50:50 is even after the nerf one of the best moves in the game right now, gives most of the time a side / top heavy or 2 side lights into another SB / GB
- Warden has superfast top Light and Zone Attack -> his top Light is better than PK though, has superior block into Counterstrike
- Always On Guard -> yes, it IS better to have one side guarded all the time instead of having to react to EVERY incoming move

I never said I want an unblockable on PK. Look it up, it was just an option if you nerf the fast Lights. Because every other Character has either an unblockable Attack or Hyperarmor or Bash (which is unblockable too). Just go through the Roster man... Ok, one exception - Orochi (who has fast Lights / ZA, a buffed Deflect and Backdash into an Attack).

Roll away from 50:50 solved. Warden has a superfast top light, Guard it, solved. Fast zone, Guard it, Solved. You have the same **** youre *****ing about. Your lights are just as fast but they can come from any direction not just top. Your zones first hit is faster than most attacks in the game just like wardens. You don't have a stable guard but you get dodging attacks and increased movement to compensate just like the other two assassins.

The only thing I'm seeing is you depending on a cheesy strat to get easy wins and its going bye bye. I get it, shes fun to play. But my god is she stupidly easy to play even mediocrely.

[Charmzzz]

Roll away from 50:50 solved. Warden has a superfast top light, Guard it, solved. Fast zone, Guard it, Solved. You have the same **** youre *****ing about. Your lights are just as fast but they can come from any direction not just top. Your zones first hit is faster than most attacks in the game just like wardens. You don't have a stable guard but you get dodging attacks and increased movement to compensate just like the other two assassins.

The only thing I'm seeing is you depending on a cheesy strat to get easy wins and its going bye bye. I get it, shes fun to play. But my god is she stupidly easy to play even mediocrely.

You have never seen me playing, still you insist that I am a Light - Light spammer. Could not give less fcks about someone like you. ^^
What most people seem to NOT see: every Assassin is pretty open for Attacks. No stable guard, we have to react on every incoming move. We cannot autoguard the enemies fast ZA direction and concentrate only on 2 other directions. But hey, keep nerfing PK, slow down her Light and she will be trash because SHE HAS NO OTHER OPENER except ZA.

You really ignore that fact?
WL, Warden, Conq: unblockable opener on 1st Attack, draining stamina

WL and Warden are top tier right now because of that and some other specials they have. PK is high tier, because she can compete due to her complete kit.

You want to nerf PK? Then nerf the other Top Tier Champs too. Or buff the others. I don't care anymore, if they keep nerfing PK I will just go Zerker (like you) or Shinobi. If you didnt know: Zerker is one of the best PK counters. Hyperarmor on 2nd hit, strong feint game, infinite combo... You have problems with PK? Get gud I guess. And dont think I'm playing PK for easy wins or even use cheesy strats, I always go for the Duels I cannot win. Cause that is where I learn new things.

People just cry these days. Cheese here, salt there. Hear that every day in FH: "PK spamspamspam", even though I used Deflect, Dodge Heavy, Parry, Heavy feint game, GB to wreck them. I can only laugh about people like this (and you seem to be one of those).

[Jagermind]

You have never seen me playing, still you insist that I am a Light - Light spammer. Could not give less fcks about someone like you. ^^
What most people seem to NOT see: every Assassin is pretty open for Attacks. No stable guard, we have to react on every incoming move. We cannot autoguard the enemies fast ZA direction and concentrate only on 2 other directions. But hey, keep nerfing PK, slow down her Light and she will be trash because SHE HAS NO OTHER OPENER except ZA.

You really ignore that fact?
WL, Warden, Conq: unblockable opener on 1st Attack, draining stamina

WL and Warden are top tier right now because of that and some other specials they have. PK is high tier, because she can compete due to her complete kit.

You want to nerf PK? Then nerf the other Top Tier Champs too. Or buff the others. I don't care anymore, if they keep nerfing PK I will just go Zerker (like you) or Shinobi. If you didnt know: Zerker is one of the best PK counters. Hyperarmor on 2nd hit, strong feint game, infinite combo... You have problems with PK? Get gud I guess. And dont think I'm playing PK for easy wins or even use cheesy strats, I always go for the Duels I cannot win. Cause that is where I learn new things.

People just cry these days. Cheese here, salt there. Hear that every day in FH: "PK spamspamspam", even though I used Deflect, Dodge Heavy, Parry, Heavy feint game, GB to wreck them. I can only laugh about people like this (and you seem to be one of those).

Lol I played Zerk to rep 3 or 4 he was fun, but I moved on to Conq. WL and Conq and Warden "initiates" I assume your talking about headbutt shield rush and shoulder charge are all dodgeable. Or interruptible with a light. Dear god for someone tired of cheese and tears you sure put out a lot when 90 percent of a community thinks the character youre playing, and from the past few comments I assume the only character you can play, is over powered. Shes the only person Ive ever seen get banned from anything for being so stupidly easy to roll someone with.

If you wanna play zerker go play zerker youll probably suck **** for gas money and walk home on him too. Because remember "no one buys into feints".. your words not mine. But I'm done arguing with you about it, shes busted and you want her to stay that ways so you can avoid having to learn to play anyone else just like half the other pk players out there. I hope they balance her without cutting her in half but I'm not hopeful given ubis streak of "balance" lately. Shes a stupid fun and easy character to play. I can count the number of times I played her on one hand and it was enough she was significantly easier to get kills on than anyone else Ive played and I didn't even have to use her advanced mechanics.

If they make it so that her "light spam" is harder to pull off or takes some investment of skill to do Ill be happy. But like I said, knowing Ubi, they'll tune her lights down to the heavy speed of Conq.

Edit: Btw I'm console so her attacks for us are borderline unstoppable. On PC she seems more manageable but her spam is still cancerous. Zerker has an Infini chain as his signature, she gets one because she can stream her attacks together so fast theres no pauses.

[Charmzzz]

Lol I played Zerk to rep 3 or 4 he was fun, but I moved on to Conq. WL and Conq and Warden "initiates" I assume your talking about headbutt shield rush and shoulder charge are all dodgeable. Or interruptible with a light. Dear god for someone tired of cheese and tears you sure put out a lot when 90 percent of a community thinks the character youre playing, and from the past few comments I assume the only character you can play, is over powered. Shes the only person Ive ever seen get banned from anything for being so stupidly easy to roll someone with.

If you wanna play zerker go play zerker youll probably suck **** for gas money and walk home on him too. Because remember "no one buys into feints".. your words not mine. But I'm done arguing with you about it, shes busted and you want her to stay that ways so you can avoid having to learn to play anyone else just like half the other pk players out there. I hope they balance her without cutting her in half but I'm not hopeful given ubis streak of "balance" lately. Shes a stupid fun and easy character to play. I can count the number of times I played her on one hand and it was enough she was significantly easier to get kills on than anyone else Ive played and I didn't even have to use her advanced mechanics.

If they make it so that her "light spam" is harder to pull off or takes some investment of skill to do Ill be happy. But like I said, knowing Ubi, they'll tune her lights down to the heavy speed of Conq.

Edit: Btw I'm console so her attacks for us are borderline unstoppable. On PC she seems more manageable but her spam is still cancerous. Zerker has an Infini chain as his signature, she gets one because she can stream her attacks together so fast theres no pauses.

Oh man, you are making a fool of yourself more and more. Yesterday on Warrior's Den: Winrate of PK on Console is even lower as on PC. Get gud I guess is the correct advice if you have problems with Light spamming PK's. And where did PK get banned? How many tournaments? 2? Console tournaments only, right? Where PK has less Winrate. I just cannot stop laughing about this.

90% of the community thinks that PK is OP? Where did you get statistics for this? Ah right, it is just a "feeling". Your arguments are childish... No facts at all.

Light Spam got nerfed, ZA got nerfed. Both are punishable now. If you cannot punish a PK spamming this then YOU are doing something wrong, because I have faced MANY people who know how to punish these moves. You are putting words into my mouth I have never said... Kids argumentation, again.

I can only repeat myself: Nerf PK Light's without giving her any other Tool - she will be trash because she has nothing else.

[Jagermind]

Oh man, you are making a fool of yourself more and more. Yesterday on Warrior's Den: Winrate of PK on Console is even lower as on PC. Get gud I guess is the correct advice if you have problems with Light spamming PK's. And where did PK get banned? How many tournaments? 2? Console tournaments only, right? Where PK has less Winrate. I just cannot stop laughing about this.

90% of the community thinks that PK is OP? Where did you get statistics for this? Ah right, it is just a "feeling". Your arguments are childish... No facts at all.

Light Spam got nerfed, ZA got nerfed. Both are punishable now. If you cannot punish a PK spamming this then YOU are doing something wrong, because I have faced MANY people who know how to punish these moves. You are putting words into my mouth I have never said... Kids argumentation, again.

I can only repeat myself: Nerf PK Light's without giving her any other Tool - she will be trash because she has nothing else.

Dude, you're a broken record. "you think my op class is op?! Get gud! If it gets nerfed Illl go to X Class" Roughly translates to " MY CLASS IS FINE BUT IF IT GETS NERFED ILL GO TO WHAT I SEE AS THE NEXT STRONGEST (Read OP) CLASS" You're not helping yourself here. It'll be okay, the class that took you 15 seconds to master will still be useable.

[Charmzzz]

Dude, you're a broken record. "you think my op class is op?! Get gud! If it gets nerfed Illl go to X Class" Roughly translates to " MY CLASS IS FINE BUT IF IT GETS NERFED ILL GO TO WHAT I SEE AS THE NEXT STRONGEST (Read OP) CLASS" You're not helping yourself here. It'll be okay, the class that took you 15 seconds to master will still be useable.

Your interpretation is false. I played PK like 200+ hours, and I am still not a master by any means. And I never said "if it get's nerfed then i will move to other op class", I said that when they nerf the PK Light's she will have nothing else to be competitive anymore, because she does not have: bash, unblockable, hyperarmor. Even Orochi will be better then, because he has more tools to play with.

PK got nerfed 3 times now, every aspect which players complained about was nerfed, even some things that werent that obvious (side dash heavy) was nerfed. And that is OK for me, really! I am just saying that if you take her last tool to be offensive - she has nothing left. No hyperarmor for a trade, no bash to open someone up or unblockable to play mindgames.

[Juuzaam]

@Jagermind: Just stop it a pk will always answer with "But...". It doesnt matter how many facts you bring.
At the current state, the game is all about getting like one single hit/gb through your enemies guard before your stamina is depleted, if possible without any risks.

I my point: PK covers so much space with a dodge, that she can break the stamina border.
PK answer: No, does not matter. / so give PK a regular dodge, maybe?

II to "break" the guard light attacks are needed after a feint/whiff, and PK got more damage(17) than the average(15).
PK answer: Doesnt matter / so reduce PKs light attacks damage, or buff everyone to 20 maybe?

III GB is a good source of damage, and pk deals way more damage than other heros in a GB.
i prooved it with the numbers: PK got the highest gb damage, fact.
PK answer: No...and at the Wall her combos are weaker. (which is wrong, she got the highest walldamage combo. But shugo got a higher health swing)

IV Her Zone is completly OP used in combination with a flicker and mixed with the lights. She gets a 50/50 which is not between dodge/gb and punishable if you guessed right, and followed by another realy hard mixup if you where wrong. People have to constantly guess if the attack is real or not and just take the hits. Even a parry on prediction is unreal vs the zone.
PK answer: It is not hard, git gud, just block. Sure...between a 15 & 9frame fast attack. While her 15f lights can come from all 3 directions (which only valk got, without a god zone, ofcourse).


This list could go on and on. And every time a pk in here will deny the facts that if she is not on top of anything in the game, she will still be in the top.

@pks: I am not denying either anything about the other heros. Like Warlord, a full feated Conq, shoulderspaming Warden, unlocking Raider but pls stop pretending how weak she is, while your R1 button is close to breaking.

[Jagermind]

Your interpretation is false. I played PK like 200+ hours, and I am still not a master by any means. And I never said "if it get's nerfed then i will move to other op class", I said that when they nerf the PK Light's she will have nothing else to be competitive anymore, because she does not have: bash, unblockable, hyperarmor. Even Orochi will be better then, because he has more tools to play with.

PK got nerfed 3 times now, every aspect which players complained about was nerfed, even some things that werent that obvious (side dash heavy) was nerfed. And that is OK for me, really! I am just saying that if you take her last tool to be offensive - she has nothing left. No hyperarmor for a trade, no bash to open someone up or unblockable to play mindgames.

"If they keep nerfing PK I will just go Zerk" - You, like three posts ago man. She doesn't need any of that crap to play well, shes fast and deadly enough. All the bashes/ stun taps etc in this game are fairly easily dodgeable outside of revenge mode, warden still needs to be toned down tho hes starting to feel less ********. But really man, cmon. Your agility is way more than enough to open people up, it only takes me a few mistakes on my opponents part to completely destroy their hp and I've only been playing her for a day. I get you have your opinion and I'm not gonna try to change it I just don't agree and that's fine.

[Charmzzz]

"If they keep nerfing PK I will just go Zerk" - You, like three posts ago man. She doesn't need any of that crap to play well, shes fast and deadly enough. All the bashes/ stun taps etc in this game are fairly easily dodgeable outside of revenge mode, warden still needs to be toned down tho hes starting to feel less ********. But really man, cmon. Your agility is way more than enough to open people up, it only takes me a few mistakes on my opponents part to completely destroy their hp and I've only been playing her for a day. I get you have your opinion and I'm not gonna try to change it I just don't agree and that's fine.

Yes, but not because Zerker is OP if you consider the community. I will move to him because I HAVE TO if they keep nerfing PK. Just look at the post of kweassa1917.

I don't know in which bracket you are playing, but in my bracket, if I do ONE mistake as PK, I am at 1/2 or 1/3 HP. LB's, Warden's and Warlord's, who turtle up, completely destroy me regularly. I have more problems with those 3 than with other PK's because they are OPEN to most initiations.

[S0Mi_xD]

This is absolutely ridiculous how are you going to nerf the Peacekeeper like her fast attacks make the Peacekeeper the bleeding makes the Peacekeeper just because people keep complaining because they can't block her attacks thats sad its mostly lottle kids, the Berserkers should be nerfed that is totally unbelievable all that character does is spam. And the hits on the beserker does twice as much damage like what the heck. Oh and don't get me started on the spam with Valkyries please adjust those two instead of adjusting you know the Peacekeeper

Ok at first, i want to clear a personal thing.
With your "berserker should be nerfed, because its a spam char who does twice as much dmg like the PK".
what? do you know that Basic dmg and combo dmg differs?
PK:
Basic: Light(top and sides) 17 (like every assassin), Heavy (top and side) 33
Combo: Light(top and sides) 15 , Heavy(top and side) 30

Berserker:
Basic: Light (top and sides) 17, heavy (top) 38 (sides) 33
Combo: Light (top and side) 9, heavy (top) 55 (sides) 20

Yeah, wow, so Berserker deals nearly double dmg, yes on his top heavy, a damn slow move, easy to parry, safe to deflect for any assassin because its the combofinisher and the Berserker is open after this move, easy to dodge. If you are getting hit by it, it is your fault because you run into it, maybe missed a parry or the berserker tricked you well.

So when a Berserker "spams" his dmg reduces to almost the half, except combofinisher.
If i start with a Side heavy, it gets blocked (2 chip dmg) and the lights afterwards hits (9 dmg) and then (most of the time) the second heavy gets parried (if i don't faint it), maaaaaybe hit the enemy with 20 dmg (20 dmg for the risk of a parry, wooohooo) or deal 1 chip dmg on block . . .

Sure there are berserkers who just attack with lights and heavy feint into light, you know why this is the most used playstyle for berserker? Because Berserker does not fit in the current gameflow.
Berserker needs some love from the devs and they are at it, and i hope they listen to the ppl who are playing the berserker.

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Ok now about PK, her Light spam is really strong on console, it's not about reacting , it's more about luck.
On PC, as far as i know it should be manageable but still effectiv if used in a clever way (spam + mixup).
So her both lights deal 17+15 dmg... thats a nearly safe heavy. Her bleed is very strong aswell.
In general assassins are great in DPS, and the attackspeed is basic for DPS, so PK is currently the strongest in terms of DPS.


I do think PK needs really a look, but not only nerf her she needs buffs aswell, but i don't know how this should look, balancing is a hard task and the PK is in a weird spot, because ever small change could break her in both ways (over- or underpower)

Her deflect is the second most unused move in this game, i have seen so far (most unused is Berserkers Slashing Rush)
So her deflect ( i think) needs a rework, a buff in form of hyperarmor could be good aswell, but this would abit boring.

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About you other guys fighting like kids, get a grip on yourself, at first the turle meta needs to go, devs are currently looking into it, after this we can talk about buffs and nerfs.
And i hope they manage the consol/pc frame difference somehow.

If you have suggestions for balance or a feedback, the share it with the world.
But when you just complain about a things without any means, then do not bother others.