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    Honorless Brawls in For Honor - Make Brawls 2v2s again!

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    Not sure if you want feedback on your commentary / ideas... or your video editing. Or perhaps both.

    But here goes, with regards to your ideas.

    > I disagree. But wait, before you hate me or just stop reading; hear me out. The problem as you so delicately put it yourself is 'forcing' things on people. You cannot force honourable Brawl matches, any more than you can force strategic Brawl matches where it's a legit 2v2. You can't say one is bad to do, but then say the other will be good to do. With any community of this size there are differing opinions and so honestly I feel like this whole issue has been dragged out for just too long. Everybody is trying to impose their own view on everybody else.

    > The other problem is, you pull up iSkys and some other person he's in a Brawl match with as an example of how it could be so fantastic. iSkys and that guy are a sure fire minority. Make no mistake. Let me apologise firstly, I don't mean to sound horrible, I'm just being blunt. How many people do you really expect to go party up for some 2v2's (especially if there are 2v2 contract orders to fulfil) and then plan out a strategy as if they're actually army veterans planning an offensive on the enemy lines. Not everybody plays the game to feel like a virtual hero, some play it simply because they find it fun, some play it for the casual style because they have families, work, commitments. Not everybody plays with the intensity of iSkys.

    I find the logic to be terrible, however in closing, I will say this; the video itself was very good, you formed your opinions clearly and obviously put a lot of thought into it. So kudos on what you've done, it was very good.
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    Originally Posted by Liv3rp00l Go to original post
    Not sure if you want feedback on your commentary / ideas... or your video editing. Or perhaps both.

    But here goes, with regards to your ideas.

    > I disagree. But wait, before you hate me or just stop reading; hear me out. The problem as you so delicately put it yourself is 'forcing' things on people. You cannot force honourable Brawl matches, any more than you can force strategic Brawl matches where it's a legit 2v2. You can't say one is bad to do, but then say the other will be good to do. With any community of this size there are differing opinions and so honestly I feel like this whole issue has been dragged out for just too long. Everybody is trying to impose their own view on everybody else.

    > The other problem is, you pull up iSkys and some other person he's in a Brawl match with as an example of how it could be so fantastic. iSkys and that guy are a sure fire minority. Make no mistake. Let me apologise firstly, I don't mean to sound horrible, I'm just being blunt. How many people do you really expect to go party up for some 2v2's (especially if there are 2v2 contract orders to fulfil) and then plan out a strategy as if they're actually army veterans planning an offensive on the enemy lines. Not everybody plays the game to feel like a virtual hero, some play it simply because they find it fun, some play it for the casual style because they have families, work, commitments. Not everybody plays with the intensity of iSkys.

    I find the logic to be terrible, however in closing, I will say this; the video itself was very good, you formed your opinions clearly and obviously put a lot of thought into it. So kudos on what you've done, it was very good.
    I'm only against forcing something. I think if you want to do honor duels in brawls that's fine. I think if you want to 2v2 in brawls that's fine. I just don't like it being laid down like it's a law, its really that simple.

    Later I did mention that it should be the other way around, that people should ask for honor instead of enforcing it, but if that's not possible, if we can't have brawls like they were in the betas by default, then at least let's have the freedom to do anything we want in the mode without fear of being raged on, is all I'm saying.

    Okay well here is where I completely disagree. Queue 4v4s and you'll see people who coordinate a ton already, and in every bracket. I see it all the time. I don't see how players can't do that in 2v2, and I don't think iSkys is a part of a rare breed of players, I think any player can be more coordinated, and I was also trying to say that teamwork and coordination can be a lot of fun. It doesn't have to be militaristic.

    We're not arguing with logic here, either. There was hardly any logic in my video, most of it was an emotional, semi-rational appeal. There's really no logic in anything about Honor or it's enforcement, its about respect or lack thereof, a sense of camaraderie and good sportsmanship, none of it is about logic and so I didn't use logic to argue against it. I was just advocating for more freedom in how we play. I guess if you want to talk emotional logic that's more along the lines of what we're using here. But anyway I just felt like analyzing this really interesting part of gaming and how we interact with one another.

    And why would I hate you? Opinions are meant to be challenged!
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