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[razabak10mm]

Playing on Xbox the other day trying the Herculean task of fulfilling all the Dominion orders without a constant stream of errors and DCs I decided to switch it up and moved on to fill the assasin order.

Knowing I haven't played a PK since campaign mode back at launch, I fully expected to quickly get destroyed for 5 matches then move back to my Raider.

The thing is, I didn't. In fact, I freaking walked around like the angel of death owning people like they were standing still. In every match I was 1st or 2nd at the end.

This is against players of all gear lvls and with knowing jack squat about how to play a PK. I didn't know any combos and couldn't even figure out how to do the triple stabby thing that's so annoying.

If my play style was kung fu you'd have to call it faceroll-button mash style. Yet I felt like an assembly line worker at a meat packing plant. They kept coming, and I kept carving them up.

Now I main a Raider and have played enough where I am at least competent with him. Most would probably say I still need to git gud though. But playing a PK was like a whole different game. It's God mode. I was wondering if I had accidentally entered some sort of cheat code.

How deadly/OP is she if she's your main and you actually know how to play even a little bit? Wow, way worse than I thought.

If you main a PK and don't own the board every time you play you should be embarrassed. If you die even once from a Raider, you should probably just move on to a different game. You might want to consider quitting video games altogether. They're probably just not your thing.



Dirteh Raider for life.

[Devils-_-legacy]

Playing on Xbox the other day trying the Herculean task of fulfilling all the Dominion orders without a constant stream of errors and DCs I decided to switch it up and moved on to fill the assasin order.

Knowing I haven't played a PK since campaign mode back at launch, I fully expected to quickly get destroyed for 5 matches then move back to my Raider.

The thing is, I didn't. In fact, I freaking walked around like the angel of death owning people like they were standing still. In every match I was 1st or 2nd at the end.

This is against players of all gear lvls and with knowing jack squat about how to play a PK. I didn't know any combos and couldn't even figure out how to do the triple stabby thing that's so annoying.

If my play style was kung fu you'd have to call it faceroll-button mash style. Yet I felt like an assembly line worker at a meat packing plant. They kept coming, and I kept carving them up.

Now I main a Raider and have played enough where I am at least competent with him. Most would probably say I still need to git gud though. But playing a PK was like a whole different game. It's God mode. I was wondering if I had accidentally entered some sort of cheat code.

How deadly/OP is she if she's your main and you actually know how to play even a little bit? Wow, way worse than I thought.

If you main a PK and don't own the board every time you play you should be embarrassed. If you die even once from a Raider, you should probably just move on to a different game. You might want to consider quitting video games altogether. They're probably just not your thing.



Dirteh Raider for life.

the only thing a pk has is light spam the moment they get killed playing normal they turn to spam my as well be god mode lol no skill required for pk

[Blasto95]

Playing on Xbox the other day trying the Herculean task of fulfilling all the Dominion orders without a constant stream of errors and DCs I decided to switch it up and moved on to fill the assasin order.

Knowing I haven't played a PK since campaign mode back at launch, I fully expected to quickly get destroyed for 5 matches then move back to my Raider.

The thing is, I didn't. In fact, I freaking walked around like the angel of death owning people like they were standing still. In every match I was 1st or 2nd at the end.

This is against players of all gear lvls and with knowing jack squat about how to play a PK. I didn't know any combos and couldn't even figure out how to do the triple stabby thing that's so annoying.

If my play style was kung fu you'd have to call it faceroll-button mash style. Yet I felt like an assembly line worker at a meat packing plant. They kept coming, and I kept carving them up.

Now I main a Raider and have played enough where I am at least competent with him. Most would probably say I still need to git gud though. But playing a PK was like a whole different game. It's God mode. I was wondering if I had accidentally entered some sort of cheat code.

How deadly/OP is she if she's your main and you actually know how to play even a little bit? Wow, way worse than I thought.

If you main a PK and don't own the board every time you play you should be embarrassed. If you die even once from a Raider, you should probably just move on to a different game. You might want to consider quitting video games altogether. They're probably just not your thing.



Dirteh Raider for life.

Are you trying to say Raider is bad? because if you are, that just shows how extremely uninformed you are about the current state of this game.

PK is strong yes, and OP on console. (probably still banned from tournaments on console) but shes has already been nerfed a little last patch, and her light spam which is the only OP thing about her now is being nerfed as well. So shes being addressed, you can stop complaining about her.

Raider, if played correctly, is one of the best heroes right now. PK is one of his weaknesses especially on console, but hes a very strong character if used properly. Unlocked, unparriable, unblock-able heavies and ZA, and ability to CGB while dodging. Theres a very good reason he is being used a very generous amount in tournaments.

[kbvlcvfkhgc]

So so true, the PK is without doubt the choice of the coward,

When Ubisoft finally grow some and the PK finally gets nerfed to bring her within the same parameters governing all the other classes there is going to be a PK bloodbath,

i predict a mass quitting of PK's who come to the shocking realization that they are not in fact the gaming Gods that they believe themselves to be and that there is in fact more to winning a game than continuously spamming R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1,

the day of retribution is coming.

[CandleInTheDark]

So so true, the PK is without doubt the choice of the coward,

When Ubisoft finally grow some and the PK finally gets nerfed to bring her within the same parameters governing all the other classes there is going to be a PK bloodbath,

i predict a mass quitting of PK's who come to the shocking realization that they are not in fact the gaming Gods that they believe themselves to be and that there is in fact more to winning a game than continuously spamming R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1,

the day of retribution is coming.

Except not all of us do this, I will be unaffected by the light spam nerf because I don't light spam. Streamers like to say we do, it's a popular thing to say, keeps their views up. Can't speakfor everyone but pk was my main before I even got the game, let alone knew what she could do, dual wielding knight assassin, pretty much all I needed to know.

[Alustar.exe]

Except not all of us do this, I will be unaffected by the light spam nerf because I don't light spam. Streamers like to say we do, it's a popular thing to say, keeps their views up. Can't speakfor everyone but pk was my main before I even got the game, let alone knew what she could do, dual wielding knight assassin, pretty much all I needed to know.

I'm in the same boat here. I saw the tech demo for PK and knew where my time would be spent.

I did however check the forums and saw the light spam complaints and decided to check it out for validation. (I play on PS4) and much to my surprise(not really) the ones who really suffered from light spam were newer players.

More competent ones will wait for the second or third light hit, parry it and punish you. So instead I worked on my deflect and dash attack combos

[razabak10mm]

"I never use cheese attacks" said every PK ever. Uh huh.

In a game of Rock Paper Scissors, PK is a hand grenade.

[MasterChiefPON]

I'm in the same boat here. I saw the tech demo for PK and knew where my time would be spent.

I did however check the forums and saw the light spam complaints and decided to check it out for validation. (I play on PS4) and much to my surprise(not really) the ones who really suffered from light spam were newer players.

More competent ones will wait for the second or third light hit, parry it and punish you. So instead I worked on my deflect and dash attack combos

Nothing more satisfying than to parry a Peacekeeper's lights and throw a heavy at her face and watch her step back in realization like saying: well ****...

(At least on spammy ones that think they can just press R1 to win, a peacekeeper that faints and spams and mixes it up with zone attack cancel is hard to beat, especially with low stance change characters)

[CandleInTheDark]

"I never use cheese attacks" said every PK ever. Uh huh.

In a game of Rock Paper Scissors, PK is a hand grenade.

I'll post the same I just did in the other one

Check my post history, even done some of the work for you.

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...1#post12520573

The problem is they don't want to touch the speed (which with the lower fps on consoles affects them more than pcs) but as it is she has speed and damage and damage over time and can seemingly close to engage or get out of dodge at will. I have no problem with her being the best at combat in her range but because of the spam, people are not given any kind of chance to put her back in their range.

As I see it, I think there needs to be more time between chains (meaning she is quick but she has to set herself up to be precise) including when they cancel a chain in favour of starting another, this keeps her speed and gives a chance for guardbreak or a dodge to get back to neutral, her damage on her lights needs to come down (I would be happy with pre way of the shark passive nobushi damage assuming that is less) and she needs to be punishable when she is out of stamina rather than able to roll as far as she does. If they want her to be quick then she needs to be quick and precise which means encouraging her kit over mindlessly pressing light attack. But then people get salty over bleed as well so no idea what to do about that, I just know I have to work harder and take more risks than just using light and the analogue stick for that damage.

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...1#post12511881

At the same time, spam does exist. The changes benefit my play style because I use deflects and look to use all four ways to get bleed.If they are sold on the speed then one or more of a few things might help.

Take down the damage per hit on both lights and heavies, if people can't react to spam then her damage per hit puts her damage per second as higher than most other characters in real terms(in that while their attacks do more, they are less likely to land them).

Increase the time between ending one chain, whether complete or not, and starting another, make the most attractive option finishing her chain with the risk of block and parry that entails rather than using the quickest attack over and over.

Increase the stamina per light both hit and blocked so that spam is less feasible.

While they want her speed high while she has stamina, nerf her disengage options while she is out of stamina, meaning dodges and rolls need to have less distance and need to be slower. Along with the fact assassins can't avoid falling down now that makes running out of stamina more punishable.

There was another point raised that with the lower fps, they need to look at balancing console and pc separately, it could be that is what causes some of the issues also.

I'm speaking as someone who wants to like the peacekeeper, and hey I have seen at least two people say light spam is boring, I agree with that, we need less spammy peacekeepers out there. Overall she needs to be able to punish over-aggression (deflects and such, to some degree her attack speed, the other person needs to get back into their range which at the same time they need a fair chance to do) but also she needs to have a playstyle of quick but precise attacks.

At what point in any of this am I saying light attack spam is good or advocating use of it? Or did you just come here salty because a peacekeeper beat you?

Nothing more satisfying than to parry a Peacekeeper's lights and throw a heavy at her face and watch her step back in realization like saying: well ****...

(At least on spammy ones that think they can just press R1 to win, a peacekeeper that faints and spams and mixes it up with zone attack cancel is hard to beat, especially with low stance change characters)

Exactly this, mostly I dodge for deep gouge, flick out a light, get some space, or I will cancel a heavy into guardbreak. More recently I started throwing in deep gouge, light-light-feint heavy-light-heavy in which case I just hit you with most of two chains and have used feints to be able to land my heavy-heavy chain.

[MumfordDaHound]

I play an LB and when a pk sees me and starts to attack its lights all day, can be a rep 1 and they have a damn good chance to light me to death. If I play another character they don't seem to do it as much. It's a better fight all around, vs LB (console) its flippin rough.