Charge of the Oni is not an Exploit | Forums

[Dizzy4213]

I can't believe nobody is talking about this. The devs literally called the knockdown from Shugoki's Charge of the Oni on stream, an exploit. Do you even play your own damn game? I think everyone agrees that something needed to be done about Shugoki's 50/50. What nobody expected, was for you to completely destroy this move. I for one, am getting sick and tired of this game. It fees like with every dev stream I watch, you seem to be more and more out of touch with your community. The latest dev stream was a joke once again.

The knockdown from Charge of the Oni is not an exploit. It's in the Advanced Tutorial for Shugoki for God's sake. Trying to call it an exploit is laughable in my opinion. It's clear to everyone that this move was intended to knock people down. Now with the upcoming nerfs to it, nobody is every going to use it anymore. It more or less be useless

Before you all decide to jump down my throat and call me a Shugoki main, I'm not just so that's out of the way. I'm also not disagreeing with the fact that something needed to be done about the 50/50. What I can't stand is the devs BS excuses for nerfing it like this. I've seen this happen with a lot of games over the years. Seeing developers trying pass off something as a bug or exploit just to cover their *** when it's clear as day that it wasn't.

If anything is going to drive me away from the game it will most certainly be the developers. The lack of commitment to this game from you is appalling quite frankly. I thought that maybe after the Community Blackout Event you would finally start to do something about this game. Why it took you guys almost 2 months to buff Lawbringer I'll never know. Why Raider still hasn't been buffed I'll never know. It's doesn't take over over 2 months to tweak a few values.

[Dizzy4213]

*shrug* They saw people exploiting it., hence fixed it accordingly.

What they did to it may be drastic, but it wasn't uncalled for.

That may be so, but to completely destroy the move as result is.

The problem wasn't the knockdown, but the GB. The fix to me, was quite simple. With the exception of PK's running GB, Raider's Charge etc, don't allow players to GB while sprinting.

[Draghmar]

The problem was exactly knockdown followed by heavy. It was abused to the extent that it was ridiculous.

[Brologna_Xeno]

I'm assuming (not predicting) it will function like Warlord's headbutt. Will knockback even off ledges if they're close enough. It was the free heavy off knockdown they were going after FAIK. Can still disrupt they said.

[J-HovTheKnolls]

They completely destroy a heroes move who already had no moves yet the PK can still Light-Light bs trash non-sense.

[Yatagarasu-san]

Well, People were exploiting it to the point, they had "unwanted" 50/50 where they either knocked u off, and got free heavy which isnt really fun ... or parried u and gb ... Charge move wasnt supposed to work way people used it.

I wouldnt call it nerf, more like balancing.

[FAT_GUTS]

The problem was exactly knockdown followed by heavy. It was abused to the extent that it was ridiculous.

Love this posts. Valk can use free heavy with SpearSweep knockdown! Conqueror can use heavy after Charging Shield Crush too!!! ... how stupid someone can be if he think that Chage of Oni knockdown is an exploit! ... Charge of Oni can be punished but game is full of noobs which just cry! So mad devs nerf it to "most useless movement ever". It not do any damage, it only push a side a little. No wall throw, no stun ... it has so long recovery time that Shugoki can not continue with any of the attacks! Charge of Oni is now absolute stupid. And Shukoci can not win just with only light attacks! .. not against skilled player which know that Shugoki have nothing to get through defense!

... Devs just show us how dangerous is lack of game experience. They make this game worse and worse.

[Blasto95]

I can't believe nobody is talking about this. The devs literally called the knockdown from Shugoki's Charge of the Oni on stream, an exploit. Do you even play your own damn game? I think everyone agrees that something needed to be done about Shugoki's 50/50. What nobody expected, was for you to completely destroy this move. I for one, am getting sick and tired of this game. It fees like with every dev stream I watch, you seem to be more and more out of touch with your community. The latest dev stream was a joke once again.

The knockdown from Charge of the Oni is not an exploit. It's in the Advanced Tutorial for Shugoki for God's sake. Trying to call it an exploit is laughable in my opinion. It's clear to everyone that this move was intended to knock people down. Now with the upcoming nerfs to it, nobody is every going to use it anymore. It more or less be useless

Before you all decide to jump down my throat and call me a Shugoki main, I'm not just so that's out of the way. I'm also not disagreeing with the fact that something needed to be done about the 50/50. What I can't stand is the devs BS excuses for nerfing it like this. I've seen this happen with a lot of games over the years. Seeing developers trying pass off something as a bug or exploit just to cover their *** when it's clear as day that it wasn't.

If anything is going to drive me away from the game it will most certainly be the developers. The lack of commitment to this game from you is appalling quite frankly. I thought that maybe after the Community Blackout Event you would finally start to do something about this game. Why it took you guys almost 2 months to buff Lawbringer I'll never know. Why Raider still hasn't been buffed I'll never know. It's doesn't take over over 2 months to tweak a few values.

Completely Agree with you. I spoke about this in a different post the other day, ill just copy some of what I said

I think its wrong to completely destroy a heroes play style. Ubisoft even put this technique in their training videos...what did they expect.

Instead of killing an entire way people play Shugoki, tune what he does so its more punishable and requires more skill to pull off. Make it cost more stamina, make the heavy deal less damage, make players recover from the fall faster. ANYTHING. But no, lets just take out the one tech thats actually legit and leave in all the other exploited bugs.

I didnt even mention the GB that could also just be removed or something. Just fix the technique, dont call it an exploit when its clearly not. Was it abused? Yes. So fix it from being abused

[Brologna_Xeno]

I agree. I can live with the loss of the free heavy, actually would have gladly traded that for some other method to open from idle.

The why of it had been exploited/abused was lack of other options against turtles. ZA options are only going fool someone once, at best. Hit trade - forget it against some classes, all player who understands Shug's armor.

Soft feint heavy into Demon Embrace is Shug's Harikari option

[FAT_GUTS]

Someone from Ubisoft who bring 1.06 Shugoki nerf into live must have zero knowledge without Shugoki game experience. Where stupidity wins, good players leave.