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  1. #21
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    Making it so you can't swap loadouts inside PVP enabled areas is definitely a solid idea that I will pass on.

    /gabelikes
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    i'm still waiting on people to tell me why you shouldn't be able to swap? you can do it manually no matter where you are and no matter what the condition, why shouldn't you be able to as long as you aren't in combat? have you all just completely bumped your heads or something? i can't see a single negative reason why you shouldn't be able to do a one button swap out of combat vs manually doing it that you can and have been able to do since the very first day the game came out.


    someone explain it to me like a i'm a 5 year old please
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    Agree with MIA_Philly

    You can easily switch gear anywhere in the game if you are out of combat. You need a different weapon or gear piece, you pick it from your bottomless backpack. Still, you don't want people to be almost insta-ready for combat as they can switch loadouts faster than 6-8 pieces one-by-one.

    As soon as this is OUT of combat, it shouldn't be a problem. You shouldn't be able to access the Loadouts, at least, if not the full inventory, while in combat.
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    Originally Posted by Lazeerer Go to original post
    Really Guys?Who would be able to pull off that in combat lets be real witht he DMG we do now in PVP to each other. Especially in a PVP area Mid Fight when they are in the Action close enough to throw a seeker then switch to deadeye then switch to tac etc.. You would be Dead the second you pause for those sevral seconds it takes to hot switch even with keybind.,

    Try standing still in laststand around the PVP action now and see what happens even in the DZ near some Rogues..


    I have for Example 2 builds on 1 alt that all i have to do is Click "I" to get into my Inventor switch 4 difference gear peice and be switched out. (Already have the mods on them and everything ready to be swaped if needed) Maybe in <10sec and iam sure there are people double as fast as me.

    you can hot swap now "IN Combat" and sure it will take you 1-3 sec longer but "In combat" So the fact you have to be out of combat for the loadouts is more then enough to stop issues that you bring up.

    i think you guys are over exaggerating. Thought to be very clear i see the worries you bring up as a valid concern i just dont see it ever really happening in a real senario.

    What iam wondering is if you keep dieing in last stand and get sent to the spwan point you choose could you switch loadouts there or have to run somewhere till your out of combat to do so. That be annoying.
    +1 / this^^
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    Originally Posted by MIA_Philly Go to original post
    i'm still waiting on people to tell me why you shouldn't be able to swap? you can do it manually no matter where you are and no matter what the condition, why shouldn't you be able to as long as you aren't in combat? have you all just completely bumped your heads or something? i can't see a single negative reason why you shouldn't be able to do a one button swap out of combat vs manually doing it that you can and have been able to do since the very first day the game came out.


    someone explain it to me like a i'm a 5 year old please
    You are absolutely right, I have 3 builds on 1 character all use same backpack and chest peice, all I swapped is the other 4 and use same weapons so why would I use loadouts? I can change in seconds IN combat without waiting for skill cooldowns or being out of combat!

    Like anything else they try to implement it will be exploited in a week, someone will find a way like normal, same as theres always a new meta bla bla bla.

    But let's be honest everyone will be running around with deadeye so we won't need loadouts anyway because you will only need that one set lol
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    Originally Posted by MIA_Philly Go to original post
    i'm still waiting on people to tell me why you shouldn't be able to swap? you can do it manually no matter where you are and no matter what the condition, why shouldn't you be able to as long as you aren't in combat? have you all just completely bumped your heads or something? i can't see a single negative reason why you shouldn't be able to do a one button swap out of combat vs manually doing it that you can and have been able to do since the very first day the game came out.


    someone explain it to me like a i'm a 5 year old please
    Those people against this are the same ones that complained so much about nimble and had it nerfed this bad...
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    I think loadouts should not be restricted for pts week 2.. Then from there on the players/testers will come up with which restrictions to actually apply to loadouts...
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    Originally Posted by MIA_Philly Go to original post
    i'm still waiting on people to tell me why you shouldn't be able to swap? you can do it manually no matter where you are and no matter what the condition, why shouldn't you be able to as long as you aren't in combat? have you all just completely bumped your heads or something? i can't see a single negative reason why you shouldn't be able to do a one button swap out of combat vs manually doing it that you can and have been able to do since the very first day the game came out.


    someone explain it to me like a i'm a 5 year old please

    This is a very valid point, but please be civil when trying to make a point and don't insult people.

    Currently you just need to be out of combat in order to use loadouts to swap gear, but you can swap pieces of gear just like normal.

    In order to implement this suggestion, you need to restrict changing ANY gear while in a PVP enabled zone. Keen to hear thoughts on that as this is obviously something that is much more impactful to overall gameplay.

    /gabelikes
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    Originally Posted by Ubi-gabelikes Go to original post
    This is a very valid point, but please be civil when trying to make a point and don't insult people.

    Currently you just need to be out of combat in order to use loadouts to swap gear, but you can swap pieces of gear just like normal.

    In order to implement this suggestion, you need to restrict changing ANY gear while in a PVP enabled zone. Keen to hear thoughts on that as this is obviously something that is much more impactful to overall gameplay.

    /gabelikes
    Getting out of combat isn't that big of a deal in regards to PvP. With that being said, I'd do as follows:

    Dark Zone: Can swap out loadouts in a safehouse or checkpoint. This allows loadout swapping, as well as preventing the issue of going up against someone, identifying what kind of player build they have and the potential threat, and then them "magically" being a completely different build once they turn a corner or so. Being a smart player and being able to identify threats based on their gear look is a nice tactic to have in your toolbelt. If other players can just swap around stuff, it's essentially removing this skillset from the game. Additionally, on the fly loadout swapping in the DZ would turn into chaotic fights of paper rock scissors...constantly trying to out-swap the competition. It'd be less about skill and more about who can swap to a counter faster at that point. If they have to essentially get to a safe zone and "reset", and have to make a conscious decision on what build to run, it'd be a lot more organized and add more to tactical play.

    Last Stand: Same issue as above, but have loadout swapping be allowed within 30 seconds of respawning.

    Non-PvP: Let people swap whenever they want as long as it's out of combat.
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    Originally Posted by Ubi-gabelikes Go to original post
    This is a very valid point, but please be civil when trying to make a point and don't insult people.

    Currently you just need to be out of combat in order to use loadouts to swap gear, but you can swap pieces of gear just like normal.

    In order to implement this suggestion, you need to restrict changing ANY gear while in a PVP enabled zone. Keen to hear thoughts on that as this is obviously something that is much more impactful to overall gameplay.

    /gabelikes

    For the love of god dont touch the original Gear switching setup. Its Fine. You dont Know How annoying it will be with the ammount of NPC in the DZ that put you in combat that will make you have to go to a safe house or run somewhere else out of combat just to change out say your Mask. Dont you go touching the original gear switching way or anything that works around that!

    Whatever you want to do with loadouts fine. If i dont like it i just wont use it. Just dont touch how we switch gear currently now.


    For Loadouts i have no idea why you guys are worrying so much. Like Seriously Most people that play in last stand go in with 1 build "Maybe 2" and when they want to switch they usually never do it mid fight sinces thats like an automatic death sentence but switch to a new gear when they die right before they click in to respawn back in they go into there menu and switch out then spawn back in. No one in there right mind would pause mid fight around the action to switch gear out. iam sorry But it just wont happen especially when there is players around.

    The Only time you will catch me switching gear out around the PVP action is if we just cleared out the entire team and they havnt spawned back in and got close to us. Which i think loadouts should be allow here Just like you can switch out your normal gear.

    Even with the Current setup with loadouts say you are with your team at "B" and Just fought off the Other team and the other team is no where to be seen you cant switch loadouts because your still in combat. You dont know how many times people switch gear out here. So that means even in this situation you will not be able to switch loadouts. Thats Dumb! But whatever as long as i can still switch my gear out manually iam cool with it.

    To be Clear you cant switch Loadouts while in Combat. You are always in combat in laststand for atleast 95% of the time and the only way to go out of combat is if you run far off. In the DZ you go in and out of combat all the time just running down a block. Its fine how load outs are. Like have you guys even tried doing what you say could be possible?

    If many of you havnt Notices you are In combat almost the entire time in last stand. You have to run extremely far out to get out of combat and i mean far. Even in the DZ if you are in combate you have to run dang near a whole block to get rid of the In combat status and even then your are mostly again running into another group of NPC. Now imagine Having to do that everytime you want to switch out a mask or change out a weapon or gear piece. It would drive everyone nuts. ("Hey Rogue's can you wait right here while i go switch out my gear in a No combat area to have some more EDR because i see you are running seeker. Rogues burst you down i help you go to check point faster")

    When iam In the DZ iam constantly switching gear and talents out. Do you know how frustrating it will be to be limited doing this.? I dont think you guys actually know what your asking for. "You do know massive Nerfs and makes changes with a Extremely Heavy foot right" I would Highly Suggest you guys cool it. Now you guys got massive thinking about touching how we currently switch our gear out now.!


    IMO I dont think Loadouts should only be change out of combat Just for the Simple Fact your never out of combat in laststand and in the DZ. Most of the time your in combat because there is NPC everywhere. If i have to be forced to have to go somewhere just to switch out a piece of gear or loadout then by the time i come back to that situation will be different and it has taken away from my gaming experience.


    -Leave alone the way the current switching gear works. Its Perfect and we have been switching gear out like this for an entire year with no one ever complaing about the gear switching. Please do not touch it!

    For Loadouts I dont mind how its currently setup. Its Fine. Although id like to see it different and work how our current gear switching works "in or out combat" but with a few more limitation like cant switch with a skill on cooldown is good and maybe a 5-10 cooldown inbetween each switch if it was In combat etc...But iam ok with how it currently is. Alot of the people here are over exaggerating of the possibilities and dont realize how often they are "In combat" or how annoying it is to get rid of the "In combat" status

    Sorry for my English.
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