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[sgtpickles]

Are y'all serious right now?....

People are giving intelligent valid point left and right... You guys are basically choosing not to acknowledge intelligent points and are just automatically labeling everyone who opposes your views "gank reliant/ git gud" people (Which by the way, could apply to you, people are telling you to "git gud" to fight multiple people and you are telling people to "git gud" when fighting against pre-nerf revenge.. so hmmmm)

Glad you know the final consensus of how "forum surfers" play the game...

Having trouble with the old revenge or not having trouble with the old revenge is beside the point. It was being heavily exploited and people didn't have to employ much skill to kill multiple people..
I myself was never against revenge as it was (except for when it triggered in a 1v1 fight, that pissed me off every time). But this nerf does nothing but help me since I never used revenge as a crutch to win... Also, playing with the new revenge and actually having some trouble against many enemies or being able to team up to try and take out a skilled player was much more enjoyable than the revenge ruled game that it was pre-nerf...

I read your post and responded to each of your points... How about you guys do the same instead of dodging legitimate points and saying we don't have any intelligence...

Absolutely serious, forums are a minority of the players. People that enjoy the game rarely come here to say "man this game is great... i love this and this and this." You are all ignoring the game development videos where they discuss why revenge was added to the game. Revenge was an issue in 1v1 and only in 1v1. They should have stopped it from generating any revenge at all when in a 1v1. There are obviously different generation rates based on the number of foes close to you. They should have messed with this item. How fast it popped in 4v1 was a little ridiculous as well. It was meant to reward holding your ground against an army... R-E-V-E-N-G-E.

I still remember the first time me and my friends ran into a revenge geared player. It was a Nobushi on High Fort. We were so confused as to why she was getting revenge so much. We were running around as a gank squad whent he game was new. Easy wins. It was fun till we ran into that player that stopped us in our tracks... of course until we knew how to deal with it.

[xLeapingLizardx]

Absolutely serious, forums are a minority of the players. People that enjoy the game rarely come here to say "man this game is great... i love this and this and this." You are all ignoring the game development videos where they discuss why revenge was added to the game. Revenge was an issue in 1v1 and only in 1v1. They should have stopped it from generating any revenge at all when in a 1v1. There are obviously different generation rates based on the number of foes close to you. They should have messed with this item. How fast it popped in 4v1 was a little ridiculous as well. It was meant to reward holding your ground against an army... R-E-V-E-N-G-E.

I still remember the first time me and my friends ran into a revenge geared player. It was a Nobushi on High Fort. We were so confused as to why she was getting revenge so much. We were running around as a gank squad whent he game was new. Easy wins. It was fun till we ran into that player that stopped us in our tracks... of course until we knew how to deal with it.

I am playing the game right now and I'm reading and replying in between matches... Why can't the argument be made that the people in the forums know the game and are dedicated enough to actually go to a forum exclusively for the game?....

The game development videos, sure, but as people have said their goal/ reasonings can change over time... That is what rebalancing is for.
If they added a ballista to help you kill soldiers in the middle zone but players would use it to kill players they would need to rebalance it, but it would still be there.
They added revenge to help you when outnumbered, but it wasn't supposed to make you have a huge advantage whenever it wasn't a 1v1 to where people would favor being outnumbered to let their revenge do all the work.. Revenge was working not as intended.
Plus it is still there, is still fuctional, and is still working!
I have been enjoying my games immensely and it is so satisfying and exciting to really have to use an exceptional amount of skill. It makes being outnumbered that much more intense!

Lastly, it's 4v4... Is ganking not a viable tactic?
You want revenge to punish "stupid gankers" but it still is a viable tactic
Plus, revenge is STILL in the game!... People are acting like it has been wiped from for honor and you are just left to your own devices...

Maybe you should go request a mechanic to where anytime you lock onto an opponent and they lock onto you it creates a bubble around you both that no one can enter until one of you dies?.... That would serve your purpose better and would truly stop the "mindless/ stupid/ all the words y'all use to describe them" gankers.

[SAVAGE_CABBAGE1]

Can't have an intelligent discussion when most people are devoid of it. But I'm trying anyway. Thanks for the compliments SgtPickles.

All you're doing is dodging legitimate discussions and being a hypocrite.

[SAVAGE_CABBAGE1]

See it's not just that you cant 1v4 it's just completely useless now. Before it took skill to kill that revenge person. Now I can be at the top of the leader board by just running in a group spamming r2. Its boring and anyone that agrees with this new fighting meta of zergfest r2 spam as skill needs to go play every other button smashing game and leave this one alone. It was unique and now we are left with the same old story. It's no wonder the baddies that couldn't deal with revenge are happy now just sad

I have to disagree with you on this, as anyone that just spams R2 against me in revenge is just getting parried. I still 1v2 and 1v3 consistently and even 1v4 every now and again. This new revenge takes skill to beat, and skill to use. I see nothing wrong with that style of balance.

[TheRevanchist27]

All you're doing is dodging legitimate discussions and being a hypocrite.

Not true at all, most posts in this thread have been fallacies of some sort. As for your accusations of hypocrisy, I'd love to see you back that up.

[Robsket]

this nerf is the greatest things devs have done, now the game is funnier and also more balanced. The skill now matters more than the gears

[ImTiredOfU]

You can defend the revenge nerf all you want but the truth of the matter is it was a lot more fun and took skill to kill a revenge character before nerf. Anyone had access to revenge gear and power that it gave. Now it is straight boring in 4v4 period. Of you don't stack then you lose. No tactic no skill just group up and smash r2 and as long as you don't smash r2 the same time as your team mates then there is no defense against it. If your team got wiped by a revenge build pre nerf then honestly that was lack of team communication. By this nerf this game was instantly turned into any other hack n slash. The uniqueness is gone and the difficulty turned way down. Good job making 4v4 a mindless smash game that favors undefendable zergs. Especially pugs they now have no chance of you team doesn't group up you die. In a game with such ****ty friend system and communication this is just bad for business. If you honestly believe this takes more skill than before you are a joke. There was stuff broken about revenge but it wasn't what the changes. Double dipping bad getting spammable knockdown was wrong that was it. The rest as you anti revenge say was a get gud issue. It was lack of team work if your team got wrecked my 1 dude. Sorry but truth is if you regularly had issues before with revenge then you were zergging and smashing r2 plain and simple. Again I find this game so much easier than before not harder. Hence why pro p e are complaining about the nerf we are bored of easy r2 spamming fights already. Rip 4v4

[Robsket]

fun for whom? "for you?" or for the guys who outplayed your team and had you cornered?




Is this some sort of a joke? You even know what the word "tactics" means? Here's the merriam-webster for you:

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definition of tactics

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a : The science and art of disposing and maneuvering forces in combat
b : The art or skill of employing available means to accomplish an end
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being closed off and surrounded by multiple enemies is.... What? ... Result of being outmaneuvered?

Study any famous battle in history, masterful tacticians and generals of fame and their victories consis of... What?... outmaneuvering enemy forces to create pockets of local numbers advantage to waiver and destroy an enemy line, to finally surround them.

the fundamental basics of military tactics start out with securing numbers advantage.





Which goes straight back to you. When you get surrounded by enemies, that's a result of even more appalling lack of communication -- which you shouldn't expect to survive from in the first place.

So why are you arguing lack of communication, when being ganked is even worse a lack of communication from your own part?




Ironic, isn't it

your arguing the difficulty went down, [i]but all i see in comments like these is people have quite great difficulty in grasping even the most basic tactics of team based combat. As a matter of fact, they understand it so poorly, that they are whining about how they can't go supah-saiyan and cream everyone else.





See, this is the cream of the crop. The king-swing. The fundamental misconception that's born from petty egoes with zero knowledge of what consists team combat and tactics.

You think that because they surrounded and killed you off easily like a gnat, they're "mindless" and "zerging" -- and in your hot, blind rage you simply assume that if they fought "fairly" you'd have won.

In the end, the revenge-nerf whiney-folk, is basically about egos.

Your ego cannot handle the simple fact that you've been very simply outplayed and outmaneubered by people who you think so little of. "mindless" and "zergs". Lol, that's rich.

But then, wow, just how is that "mindless zergs", seem to be able to catch them "better" and "smarter" and "tactical" players with their pants down so often and easily, and wipe the floor with their arses so easily and quickly? i mean, if them "zergs" are so "mindless", shouldn't it be your smart arse that's winning more often?


Maybe they're not so "mindless" as you thought?

I mean, mindless or no, they at least seem to be able to know how to count, and make the simple calculation that two heads are better than one. When those "zergs" can do that simple calculation, and you can't, who is the "mindless" one again? Rofl

I quote every single word.
wise one <3

[ImTiredOfU]

Like I said defend the nerf all you want coming from someone that didn't use full revenge builds I never had an issue like you baddies obviously did. I knew not to spam r2. I liked fighting revenge builds as it was a challenge I never said I was using it. You people sucked and couldn't deal with it plain and simple. Don't give me **** about tactics this new zerg and fight is boring as ****. You hear me boring. It is to easy to kill people period. If I wanted this playstyle I litterally. Could have plaid any other game out without the bugs. You baddies couldn't let a game be different just had to ***** and moan. Again like I said out of my 5 rep 3+ only 1 had revenge gear. Again I have no problem stompping on people like normal just now I can spam r2 with no penalty at all. Just boring and too easy to kill. I'm sorry you anti revenge just sucked that bad. I play this game a lot and game play don't lie. Since this patch over 95 percent of games are smash r2 so I joined and guess what. I have absolutely no problem being top of the charts by litterally just smashing r2 in a group. How is that skill? Nothing you can lie and say will make me believe otherwise cause I can do this. I have a very high success rate with this so called TACTIC of yours.

[XImohtephXX]

Like I said defend the nerf all you want coming from someone that didn't use full revenge builds I never had an issue like you baddies obviously did. I knew not to spam r2. I liked fighting revenge builds as it was a challenge I never said I was using it. You people sucked and couldn't deal with it plain and simple. Don't give me **** about tactics this new zerg and fight is boring as ****. You hear me boring. It is to easy to kill people period. If I wanted this playstyle I litterally. Could have plaid any other game out without the bugs. You baddies couldn't let a game be different just had to ***** and moan. Again like I said out of my 5 rep 3+ only 1 had revenge gear. Again I have no problem stompping on people like normal just now I can spam r2 with no penalty at all. Just boring and too easy to kill. I'm sorry you anti revenge just sucked that bad. I play this game a lot and game play don't lie. Since this patch over 95 percent of games are smash r2 so I joined and guess what. I have absolutely no problem being top of the charts by litterally just smashing r2 in a group. How is that skill? Nothing you can lie and say will make me believe otherwise cause I can do this. I have a very high success rate with this so called TACTIC of yours.

I feel I have an accurate theory regarding your base problem. I feel this entire tirade came from you butting heads against a particular individual using an unrepped character in a 4v4 against your God repped whatever you play. Im guessing you found this individual holding a point and attempted to massacre said individual with your shiny sparkling max geared killing machine. They beat you......you tried again to the same result. And without skipping a beat or performing anything that would resemble self examination you blamed the change and thereby the people who brought about the change....................that or your parents didnt hit you hard enough either theory seems about right.