Conq - A Comparison of shields | Forums

[Barboron]

Again - i never said, this is a guide - there you misread/misunderstood me.

If you aren't implying it to be a guide why would you compare it to a guide in your thread?

[S0Mi_xD]

If you aren't implying it to be a guide why would you compare it to a guide in your thread?

I never compared your thread with mine.
Actually my first answer in your thread was just an answer, but because of this answer, i wanted to make a Guide.
My guide has nothing to do with your thread.

and also my guide is at 70%

Äm... i am sorry to destroy your illusions, but currently Conque has the best defence in this game.

Looks like you are a Conque Main, but for a Conqu your report is pretty half-as.sed ...

Ok, let me beginn:

Defensive capabilties

Conqueror -

1. Full Block Stance
2. Superior Block
3. Dash Superior block in the dash direction
4. Superior Block in the heavy attack direction

So just from defensive option he got more than the other 2 Shild heros.

Now some short information about the viability of his defense

1. His fulll block stance is really bad
- drains much stamina
- stops stamina regen for some seconds
- if you are out of stamina you will be knockdowned from a attack .....wow
+ the only good thing is, that he can use it to feint his attacks

2.Superior Block - i think i don't need to say, that it is damn strong.
+ you don't take chip dmg (conqu is the only one who is not affected by chip dmg)
+ GB after heavy block

3. Dash sup block
+ it's his second direction defense
+ blocks for the full dash

4. Sup block on Heavy attack
+ same as warlord or Valk, only with heavy

And now about his ...

Offensive capabilities

1. Charging Shield Crush
2. Shield Bash in general (also riposte)
3. Full stance feint
4. Superior block
5. Superior block dogde
6. Superior block in heavy attack direction

About basic attacks (light, heavy) we don't need to talk, its the same with them with nearly every char.
But a small 7. will be Light on OOS

Small info:

1. Charging Shield Crush
+ If it hits it leads into a knockdown, and you get a free heavy (not charged)
- it is punishable if dodged dodge

2. Shield Bash in general (also riposte)
+ SB makes stamina dmg and stops the stamina regen for some seconds on OOS enemies (OOS lockdown)
+ Safe light after SB hit
+ After a heavy SB mixup
+ IF the heavy does hit and the SB mixup aswell, you get a free heavy (with and without wall)

+ IF you hit your enemy with SB, WHILE your enemy is in action (if he attacks, dodges, GB, and so on), this leads into a free heavy after SB (with or without wall) BUT a light wouldn't miss. -> I call it a "Counter Shild Bash" (CSB)
(currently i am not sure about this point, need to test it)

- it is easy to dodge, so you need to play as unpredictable as possible
- gets interrupted if you are hit while SB

3. Full stance feint
+ works like a normal feint, but i think it is a little bit slower but not sure about it (only 1 or 2 frames) (so you can use it as a bait aswell)
+ you can feint Lights AND Heavies
+ you can use Light, Heavy, and GB(but only delayed), SB Riposte (SBR)
+ after SBR -> free heavy
- bad stamina management
- feels inconsistent sometimes

4. Superior block
+ Heavy Block -> free GB

5. Superior block dogde
+ after a dodgeblock SB is safe (not sure if it counts as and CSB)
+/- if you block with the last frames of the dodge, you get a free GB (but this is very hard to do, for this you need to see the attacks coming and dodging shortly befor the attack or at the beginning of the attack)

6. Superior block in heavy attack direction
+ This is intendet for the charge attack, so if you charge and attack in the direction the enemy attacks the charge attack will be SAFE
+ works with normal heavies aswell

7. Lights do stamina dmg on OOS

So the concept of the Conque is pretty good, and he has the strongest defense of all heros.
But he has the weakes activet offensive, his only active offensive are his (medium speed) attacks, chains and Shieldbash and FBS-Feint.

Also his strong defense is a strong passive offense at the same time - but therefor your enemy needs to attack, to use the defense as a offense.
That is the reason why he has a hard life against turtles, and only his only effective way to do dmg, against very defensive enemies, is the SB.

Conqu's concept is very strong on paper but in practice it lacks in ACTIVE offense.

Bonus:
I agree about the discription "hard hitter", it doesn't fit because his isn't a hard hitter - Conquerer is a Counter-Attacker!!!
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Pls, at first learn you character befor you do half-as.sed threads.
I picked him up around 2 weeks ago and most of the points i listed, i learned in 2 hours - the rest was practice....

PS.: I am sorry that i sound biased, but i don't like it if ppl talk trash about something they didn't took the time to really learn it.