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  1. #11
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    Originally Posted by Vordred Go to original post
    that run does need fixing, and the one shot off demon embrace is just pure BS. no hero should have a one shot kill move.
    It is necessary to fix Warden - slowing his attacks and lateral zones of attack - no one should be so fast.
    It is necessary to fix and still nerffs Conqueror - all the same well spam shield, and indeed he needs to take away the shield,
    It is necessary to nerf Valkyrie, she is very fast, and when he is RAGE, she can endlessly knock you down and strike and so until you die - No one has the right to knock you down without end, without giving a chance to give a blow back, no one has the right to be so quick

    Need to nerf Warlord - because he is not enough that he can almost as endlessly beating his head, very hard to beat and at the same time his attack will not fail if you hit any attack. Very quickly accumulates RAGE. Nerf! No one can be so powerful!

    You can continue the list without end, so how many people do not like what features in other characters, when you do not play and master them.


    If you fall into the arms of Shugoki and he oneshot you, then this is your problem, not the problem of the character, - that means dodging! If he held you in the corner -your problems-then you are not good at orienting in space.

    In the clamp in a corner, even the Conqueror, Warlord, Warden, Valkyrie, etc. can even begin to spam. Nerf them all!
    Most of the problem is the curves of the hands handling the character.


    Yes, I play the same way on Shugoki, but I can hint that it's easy to kill him. You can nerf all characters by zero. After the whining of most people, the game turns into garbage. After whining, their main characters are bashing, and those with whom they do not play nerfd
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    Shugoki doesnt need a nerf

    Honestly the oni charge and demons embrace are his only dangerous moves and are super easy to dodge. i think hes fine the way he is, big slow man dealing heavy damage
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    Originally Posted by xATMxLILMARC Go to original post
    Honestly the oni charge and demons embrace are his only dangerous moves and are super easy to dodge. i think hes fine the way he is, big slow man dealing heavy damage
    Changing Demon's Embrace definitely warrants debate (I hate how it currently functions, but that's my opinion). Charge of the Oni however, allows for a truly absurd method of play for those willing to abuse it. There's no debate to be had here; it should be adjusted, and it will be. The devs have stated as much. There's no stopping that one.
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  4. #14
    I love that fact that they can insta-guardbreak u right afteru attacked them whiel they have power armour andthe best part: that guardbreak is uncounterable.

    That demon BS SHOULD need about 10 meters distance so he can build up enough momentum. ATM you are beignspammed by makro Shugokis running straight into you while mid-feinting...

    It's really "balanced" that if you have them in a corner and you are raining them with hits they can just start running at you, uninterruptable and oneshot you or take half your life. The whole class seems BS

    And the best part: Insane damage for pretty fast attacks than can even mid air be changed into a unblockable...it's really loughable.
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  5. #15
    I feel his demon's embrace on GB near a wall is a little broken. I'd almost be ok with all that damage/gain + the free light (which could mean a headbut to boot) if it weren't so easy for him to get a GB. He just has to eat one of your attacks and it's going right through. If he's passive and plays for parries, which isn't hard to do at all, that's more GBs and if you're not in the open middle of nowhere, good luck. The best counter is to often stay in open grounds to discourage the wall throw and to play even more passive than him. If you're more aggressive you're generally gonna pay for that tenfold against a decent player. The response is that either you're quick as hell as his defense isn't the best and you pressure until you win, or if he's good at defense at all, you play it slow as can be. With the turtle meta still raging on, this doesn't help the issue. Open to criticism, but it feels like shigoki ruins the game a little for me.
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  6. #16
    Now we know what they are doing to Oni Charge. Nerfed it to the dirt. Tournaments will probably no longer see shugoki. SypherPK can now stop using that boring play style to cheese win tournaments. But I have a feeling he was doing it to make sure it got the nerf it should.

    I haven't fought a high level shugoki so I really never got the oni spam but here and there the Demon Embrace 1 shot would get me when I was near or at full health and that never seemed any fun. It is what it is though.
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