Thoughts on changes to Warden. | Forums

[MercenaryJames]

Firstly, I just want to say I'm a Warden main. Personally I don't understand the Warden Vortex being so flamed compared to other characters, in fact I find it ironic considering what the new patch will bring. The Lawbringer buff/bug fix to his shove is basically giving him the Warden Vortex 50/50. Where you take the shove and take the light attack, or dodge the light and be open to guard break. But that's not why I'm posting this, since the Warden is getting a change regardless I thought I might make a suggestion as to possibly changing the moveset.

Instead of the Warden cancelling into a Guardbreak, perhaps giving him a different move. I suggest changing it into a Pommel Strike Stun. So after your two-hit side light, you move into SB, then you can cancel into a Pommel Strike, with the Warden hitting for light damage that allows for a possible follow up (Not guaranteed). I feel that Warden despite using the Longsword doesn't really utilize his weapon (outside of hitting minions) during his combos, and this would still give him some mix up, without fully sacrificing his potential.

I'm sure there could be more to this, this is just something that popped into my head. If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions I'd love to discuss it. But I feel that while it can be cheap that he gets this 50/50, I feel it's not as terrible compared to other spams out there. That it's getting the fire now, because the community is moving down the line. Warden is one of the few characters right now who can break the Turtle Meta, and I'd hate to see that taken from him.

[DrExtrem]

A change is needed but you have to be extremely careful.

The rest of the wardens kit is average at best. The dash is trash, the heavies are among the slowest in the game, not even the side lights are great and the warden has no disoriented, stun or other special effects to offer a tactical option.

In botmatches, the charge is useless and more dangerous to the user, than it is for the enemy.

[cragar212]

Well we don't even know what the nerf is, its probly just a stam cost increase.

A change is needed but you have to be extremely careful.

The rest of the wardens kit is average at best. The dash is trash, the heavies are among the slowest in the game, not even the side lights are great and the warden has no disoriented, stun or other special effects to offer a tactical option.

In botmatches, the charge is useless and more dangerous to the user, than it is for the enemy.

This simply isn't true. Guys like tru3 ta1ent will often stream warden gameplay with only using the SB regularly and no cancel into. Playing this way they still usually can beat alot of top players. Removing the vortex would bump him down to middle tier but that's what we want isn't it?

[CandleInTheDark]

To be brutally honest I am a little less sympathetic than I would otherwise be. I am not going to say for one second the peacekeeper didn't need nerfing, I have made a lot of noise on here that the light spam is what needs to be dealt with and I have her to rep 4, but it is streamers who mained the other overpowered characters who pulled their low level peacekeeper in tournament stunts and helped fan the hatred so high she may never overcome that with a good number of people even when she is balanced as she needs to be (though I will also say 'high level play' as was shown on the Den last night hasn't helped that either). I am always going to see comments that my main carries me, I am always going to have people so salty they lost to me just because I am a peacekeeper they send hate mail, there are always going to be people calling for her to be deleted because streamers say she is op and at least part of that is on them,it sure as heck isn't on me, I've always tried to use her kit properly. There is a thing about witchhunts, sooner or later they run out of witches and who do they go after then? Once she got some attention, people were soon enough going to switch to the others considered overpowered also.

In terms of the subject at hand, I have played the warden to rep one and I know how easy it is to take half a life bar with the opponent having no say in the matter,I did it, I decided to change my game to only throw it occasionally and not heavily exploit the 50/50, I still got wins and found them more satisfactory.He has a good feint game, not as good as the kensei's but he can feint to draw crushing counter strike opportunities or to draw dodges to guardbreak. Personally I would like to see all the spam moves and especially all the exploits dealt with,

[DrExtrem]

Well we don't even know what the nerf is, its probly just a stam cost increase.



This simply isn't true. Guys like tru3 ta1ent will often stream warden gameplay with only using the SB regularly and no cancel into. Playing this way they still usually can beat alot of top players. Removing the vortex would bump him down to middle tier but that's what we want isn't it?

Tru3ta1ent is not really the average player you know.

The warden is not really mobile. The dashes and dodges are short. The heavy strikes are slow and only the upper light is fast.

I am all in for a change - I guess you misinterpreted my statement. I only wanted to point out, that you have to be careful with changes to a move, that makes the character very strong - see conqueror. That hero went from op to trash tier.

Again tru3la1ent is not the standard - he could beat most of us with one hand tied to his back and the shoulder bash is not strong against bits, because they can use a one frame time window to dodge - something, a human can only do by accident.

Again - a change is needed but it has to be done carefully.

[guardB0T.EXE]

They will nerf him but they will not give him something in return just like the conq i assume
Can't wait to see how they will fail this too.

[Dr-KaBoom]

To answer your question about LB, the devs are not very smart and are going to create another toxic hero like the Warden. Just because the devs are making terrible decisions on other classes doesn't mean Warden is currently okay. Stop playing Warden 24/7 and play a class like Kensei and get your eyes opened.

[teksuo1]

keep the vortex the same if you want but let me roll without losing stamina

[Oupyz]

they need to remove the 50/50 from warden/shugoki/valkries/ and not to give to lawbringer


thus the game will be much more balanced

or keep it and give the rest of the classes 50 50 and make it a guess game

decide what does the community want

[DrExtrem]

Take away the 50/50

Change the follow up to a new strike:

Cross guard strike. Guard break after a single light attack, results in a smash to the face with the cross guard. This disorients the target for a short amount of time. Can not be chained.