Shugoki better not be getting nerf'd.... | Forums

[Specialkha]

And since you should only use said attack after a wall hit, yeah it is low risk.

Btw, we are talking about the oni's charge, the other one, whre you get a free heavy after your opponent fell on the ground. Did you see the tourney where two shugokis were facing each other, running in circle waiting to charge each other?

[Wateverdude]

So using an attack that takes half your stamina and a 3rd of your life if you miss is low risk 😂

Mr Iosef here is a typical case of people who don't know to exploit an imba character, but running around and yelling "my (OP) character is not OP".

[vgrimr_J]

are you gonna make PK the fast counterattacker to useless counterattacker? please just dont water this game down and nerf **** to oblivion just because there is a one little jimmy crying for nerfs

[damp1o]

People need to understand that each FH character has his advantages against some and disatvantages against other classes. If you have troubles change the way you play and not demand the hard characters where you have problems with to be nerfed or deleted you little whiny crybabies.

[SerArthur-Dayne]

People need to understand that each FH character has his advantages against some and disatvantages against other classes. If you have troubles change the way you play and not demand the hard characters where you have problems with to be nerfed or deleted you little whiny crybabies.

So shugoki being able to run at you off screen and pick you up and lock you into an insanely long animation where other enemies can kill you from full health + full revenge it one single move is acceptable? If you ever fight 2 disablers its not a matter of an uphill batle its just an immediate loss due to being locked into spamable " I win" moves, over and over and over. Or a OHK move he gets when hes already lost the fight fair and square, or if that dosent work just the relentless running knockover spam beside a ledge. (on high fort you literally cant reach one of the objective without running over a rope bridge with a shogoki at the other end, let alone half of the map is death spikes or pits. Then the ability to swing heavy attacks at you that have to be parried, hyper armour on top of all this and then a massive health pool. He is a wheel of no skill cheese that anyone with thumbs can pick up and spam this stuff non stop and win. Have you ever faced a team of 4 of these in dominion? If you havent, try it and come back here and post that its a balanced class..... Give me a break.....

Honestly this game would be a million times better if they removed shogoki and valk from all modes that arent 1v1. And moving forward creating new heroes/ making the next installment, they should hang these heroes on the wall as a stark reminder of the type of heroes that break this game, and devolve it into spam your grab/ shield bash/disabler move- which has no counter or punishment when 2 people are spamming these at you- to win. Everything in the game has a counter/ way to punish except this slab of unprocessed smelly cheese.

All the other heroes can be fought 2v1, except these ones. They should honestly remove disabler moves from the game, and give these classes a full rework and decent movesets to repace the cheap ones they have.

[Wateverdude]

People need to understand that each FH character has his advantages against some and disatvantages against other classes. If you have troubles change the way you play and not demand the hard characters where you have problems with to be nerfed or deleted you little whiny crybabies.

-Warden and prepatch WL have no counter and have no problem fixing any char in this game
- Orochi cant counter any char, same as prepatch LB
- Prepatch PK and Valk can vs almost any char without having any problem, except Warden and Wl.

Some example that the rock paper scissor in this game almost didnt even exist. Some char just too strong while other you have to put 10x amount of effort to win. This game is all about tier list, and Shugoki is nowhere below A tier.

[IDreaml]

Honestly this game would be a million times better if they removed shogoki and valk from all modes that arent 1v1.

I think anyone who plays mostly dominion should have no say in what characters are overpowered. To put it bluntly, a full team of pk's or wardens or conqs or warlords could easily wipe the floor with a full team of Shugo's. When you play nothing but duel or brawl you get to know the characters strengths and weaknesses on a much more in depth level. Shugo is countered by 3 quarters of the game's characters. Saying shugoki is A tier, to put things bluntly, is ******ed.All you have to do is dodge... If you can't do that then you're not fit for this game. Unlike conq/warden/warlord unblockable where it's literally next to impossible if not impossible to avoid their charges... Shugo's charge drains a huge portion of his stamina pool and what I've come to realize now that I've put a ton of time into him is that shugo's health bar comes second to his stamina pool. When you are low or out of stamina... lol You're dead. You are legit dead. You can't dodge, you can't move and your chances of parrying lightening fast attacks or unblockable charges that lock onto you even if you dodge... Not to mention warden can gb you while doing his charge.. It's ridiculous. You have no idea how HARD it is to play Shugoki.

Oh and are people really talking about your slim as all hell chance to pull off the death grip 1 hit kill?... Really? If you're that low on health chances are you have tried to parry or gb already and failed multiple times. If by luck you manage to pull off something to get the person against a wall, then good on you. You have no idea how rare it is to pull that off...

I main Shugoki now and when I'm frustrated with losing a few matches I swap to pk and win repeatedly over and over, same with warden.

He has too much health? What? 2 top heavies from warden take my health down to the last bar. What are you people talking about?

Where every other character has speed and an assortment of unblockable moves to lead to assured damage, Shugo has a charge you can dodge and if you're garbage he does 1 heavy before going back into panic mode. Fighting level 10 not even prestige 1 orochi/pk/conq is a nightmare for me. lmao

My advice to you is don't join matches with pro troll teams that all work in synch by picking one character and masterfully winning against the odds, only to blame the character for your loss. It's your fault for joining an oriental bukake. If you still think Shugo is easy mode give him a try. Spam charge until you're out of stamina and get vortex'd to death in one combo. Every. Single. Time.

[SerArthur-Dayne]

I think anyone who plays mostly dominion should have no say in what characters are overpowered. To put it bluntly, a full team of pk's or wardens or conqs or warlords could easily wipe the floor with a full team of Shugo's. When you play nothing but duel or brawl you get to know the characters strengths and weaknesses on a much more in depth level. Shugo is countered by 3 quarters of the game's characters. Saying shugoki is A tier, to put things bluntly, is ******ed.All you have to do is dodge... If you can't do that then you're not fit for this game. Unlike conq/warden/warlord unblockable where it's literally next to impossible if not impossible to avoid their charges... Shugo's charge drains a huge portion of his stamina pool and what I've come to realize now that I've put a ton of time into him is that shugo's health bar comes second to his stamina pool. When you are low or out of stamina... lol You're dead. You are legit dead. You can't dodge, you can't move and your chances of parrying lightening fast attacks or unblockable charges that lock onto you even if you dodge... Not to mention warden can gb you while doing his charge.. It's ridiculous. You have no idea how HARD it is to play Shugoki.

Oh and are people really talking about your slim as all hell chance to pull off the death grip 1 hit kill?... Really? If you're that low on health chances are you have tried to parry or gb already and failed multiple times. If by luck you manage to pull off something to get the person against a wall, then good on you. You have no idea how rare it is to pull that off...

I main Shugoki now and when I'm frustrated with losing a few matches I swap to pk and win repeatedly over and over, same with warden.

He has too much health? What? 2 top heavies from warden take my health down to the last bar. What are you people talking about?

Where every other character has speed and an assortment of unblockable moves to lead to assured damage, Shugo has a charge you can dodge and if you're garbage he does 1 heavy before going back into panic mode. Fighting level 10 not even prestige 1 orochi/pk/conq is a nightmare for me. lmao

My advice to you is don't join matches with pro troll teams that all work in synch by picking one character and masterfully winning against the odds, only to blame the character for your loss. It's your fault for joining an oriental bukake. If you still think Shugo is easy mode give him a try. Spam charge until you're out of stamina and get vortex'd to death in one combo. Every. Single. Time.

Honestly this game would be a million times better if they removed shogoki and valk from all modes that arent 1v1. - My quote.

I literally said in the one sentance you quoted--- from all modes that arent 1v1. And you have explained why they are perfectly fine in 1v1 and that I should have no say in 4v4/ 2v2 modes, which is what im exclusively talking about. You didnt read my post.

Im talking about fighting ANY 2 disablers (shogoki, valk, lawbringer) in 4v4 or 2v2 brawl. You cannot dodge 2 players double spamming their disabler moves non-stop. As soon as you dodge the first the second guy gets you before your first dodge animation is over. Same with GB, attack, parry, bash etc.. You cant fight it. They dont swing at you so you cant parry one off, they dont swing at you and fill your revenge either. Straight up broken, unpunishable, stunlock spam thats completely safe and bypasses the combat system of the game alltogether.

And your advice is:don't join matches with pro troll teams that all work in synch by picking one character and masterfully winning against the odds, only to blame the character for your loss. So basically, just quit to desktop. The problem is they arent "masterfully" winning at all. And they arent organised, skilled teams. The fact that 3 out of 12 heroes can 100% stun lock you into this cheese storm when theres 2 or more breaks these modes. And theres more and more shogokis and valks by the day.

Sure I concede it may be easy to dodge in a 1v1, and is probably perfectly balanced. But in 4v4 its broken. I would rather fight 8 PK's at the same time than ever come up against a disabler duo. It may be fine to dodge one shugoki or valk, but try invision two of these characters just smamming this one move non stop at you at different times. You cant fight it, or punish it, thats the problem.

[Joseph_2017]

Mr Iosef here is a typical case of people who don't know to exploit an imba character, but running around and yelling "my (OP) character is not OP".

And your a typical case of a whiney kid. Getting slammed by a character then yelling OP! OP! There's always going to be exploits so get over it dood.

[Wateverdude]

And your a typical case of a whiney kid. Getting slammed by a character then yelling OP! OP! There's always going to be exploits so get over it dood.

Get over it and admit your character is cheesy af and need a nerf.