Shugoki is simply not fun to play against | Forums

[Charanis]

Is it only me or does anybody else also *sighs* when seeing shugoki on the enemy team loading screen?

This character is just completely unfair and unfun design, starting from the hyperarmor ending on a instakill move.

Due to how hyperarmor works and how fast it regenerates it kinda breaks most mechanics of other characters.
God forbids you are unlucky enough to play a characters who has no fast attack chains in order to break his freaken hyperarmor...

Other than that there is always the stupid run into heavy tactics.
And then there is "I grab you and you die."
And then there is "I guardbreak you during your light attack chain"
And then there is "I hit you with a quick side attack during your offense and then headbutt all your stamina
And then there is "I gb you and then throw you 15m backwards"

I don't know guys. The whole design is so toxic and unfun for me to play against. I do win most of my fights with shugoki's as I prefer to use faster attacking clases and can wear down their stupid hyper armor but whole fight can be a real husle- especially if the shugoki is just playing defensive meta.

It's just each time I get killed by a shugoki I never go "Nice! A better player deserved the win". I literally EVERY TIME feel cheated. Like the game cheated me.

[Rye.Bread.]

I'll agree here. I understand how shugoki is supposed to fight, very sacrificial of his own health, and that makes sense for the character. It would also be a shame to nerf his moveset (LIKE THEY DID TO CONQUEROR HAH HAH HAH)

Here's my suggestion to avoid ****ing it up as hard as they did with conq:

a) Hyper armor recovery increased by 1 second
b) Like regenerate, Hyper Armor now requires "Idle" and "not in combat" in order to recover.

You get 1 hyper armor in a fight which you use to really get in there. This limits R2 charged spam because he can't just sit back for a second to get free all-use hyper armor back. Too often I see shugos just disengage totally to get hyper back when according to the lore AND moveset, they are supposed to be a RAGING AGGRESSIVE DEMON RAWWRH!

At least with this you can punish them for trying to do this by forcing them to lock back on/break idle, and maybe get a hit on them.

[Illion_Lantar]

And then there is "I grab you and you die."

you mean by trow you into a wall and one shot when he have low hp? well just wait he get he's hp back and finish him with a heavy

And then there is "I guardbreak you during your light attack chain"

well yes, if his hyper guard is on, he can, just learn technic to get his hyper armor off before starting a combo chain that he might gb

And then there is "I hit you with a quick side attack during your offense and then headbutt all your stamina

shugoki headbutt is his only real stamina drain and his light atack really don't deal a lot of damage, learn to know when his hyper guard is on and off and it gonna be ez

And then there is "I gb you and then throw you 15m backwards"

I thing it's the first time I read someone cry over that point, well wellcome in the world of fighting game, where one of the most important thing is he notion of zoning, keeping your oponent just at the right distace so we can't hit you and you can, in that case, keep it far so I can regenerate my Hyper armor or do a charge or do an aoe, who got a great traking for surprising far enemies.

also, if it's the fact that he can do enviromental kill with it, well just ask him to go in some place where there is no environmental kill posible, you will see, most people, a specialy shugoki, can be really nice when you're nice with them, like by not starting the fight by insulting them because of the character they are playing with.

and if you are playing only in 4v4 well... I can't do anything for you, it's defenitly not the skill that make the diference in those modes

[Charanis]

And then there is "I grab you and you die."

you mean by trow you into a wall and one shot when he have low hp? well just wait he get he's hp back and finish him with a heavy

And then there is "I guardbreak you during your light attack chain"

well yes, if his hyper guard is on, he can, just learn technic to get his hyper armor off before starting a combo chain that he might gb

And then there is "I hit you with a quick side attack during your offense and then headbutt all your stamina

shugoki headbutt is his only real stamina drain and his light atack really don't deal a lot of damage, learn to know when his hyper guard is on and off and it gonna be ez

And then there is "I gb you and then throw you 15m backwards"

I thing it's the first time I read someone cry over that point, well wellcome in the world of fighting game, where one of the most important thing is he notion of zoning, keeping your oponent just at the right distace so we can't hit you and you can, in that case, keep it far so I can regenerate my Hyper armor or do a charge or do an aoe, who got a great traking for surprising far enemies.

also, if it's the fact that he can do enviromental kill with it, well just ask him to go in some place where there is no environmental kill posible, you will see, most people, a specialy shugoki, can be really nice when you're nice with them, like by not starting the fight by insulting them because of the character they are playing with.

and if you are playing only in 4v4 well... I can't do anything for you, it's defenitly not the skill that make the diference in those modes

Shugoki main spotted. Why can't you just accept that his kit is toxic and simply unfun to play against? I see nobody can express their opinion on any subject now. No feedback regarding a character can be given as suddenly it is crying and "everything can be coutnered". Yeah most things in shugoki's kit can be either countered, except for being grabbed MID ATTACK (which should not be mechanically possible as you cannot be guardbroken during an attack- not startup according) oh and also the charge run thingy into a heavy seen so much on latest tournaments. This also can't be reacted to.

I can enjoy a fight with a peacekeepr, warden, warlord - any class really. Except when I get to fight shugoki. Fighting shugoki always requires you to play around him. Not just modify your playstyle. It's a whole requirement of completely absolutely playing around hs hyperarmor and other annoying cheese tactics.

[DrExtrem]

Don't forget his broken charge.

I don't care if I can beat the shugoki with aggressive tactics.

It is still not fun to play against one - even if the player does not abuse his toolkit or mechanics.

[darkspawn2101]

The only thing that needs to be nerfed is the charge. His ability to basicly just **** people with out of stance crap needs to go.

Aside from that, he's fine.

[Illion_Lantar]

Shugoki main spotted. Why can't you just accept that his kit is toxic and simply unfun to play against? I see nobody can express their opinion on any subject now. No feedback regarding a character can be given as suddenly it is crying and "everything can be coutnered". Yeah most things in shugoki's kit can be either countered, except for being grabbed MID ATTACK (which should not be mechanically possible as you cannot be guardbroken during an attack- not startup according) oh and also the charge run thingy into a heavy seen so much on latest tournaments. This also can't be reacted to.

I can enjoy a fight with a peacekeepr, warden, warlord - any class really. Except when I get to fight shugoki. Fighting shugoki always requires you to play around him. Not just modify your playstyle. It's a whole requirement of completely absolutely playing around hs hyperarmor and other annoying cheese tactics.

I use the term ''crying'' when someone conplaint about something without giving any solution, and for the information, I main conqueror, not shugoki, I up it to rep 3 because I use to don't know how to fight again, well the answer is, don't play like it's a normal character, yes he's very unique but the best way to beat him is by playing defensively and do a roll on every of his single of his charges, you can't be grab, push on the gound or or be hit when you roll.

also give some real feedback instead of just say that hi need to die in his own sh*t it's the only way ubisoft can take your message like they do for the valkiry topic

hope you'll stop been salty because the game is not exactly like you want it like thousand of other people who want a different game