Orochi balance | Forums

[Synsif]

Monsoon I just played you in a match, you are playing warlord, one of the most op classes atm. And you want another OP class to get buffed?? Even oro's side hits are faster than zerkers and WAY less advertised.

Dude, come on. I won't even talk **** here, I'll just explain the facts. First off, the OP literally said he played Orochi, Warlord, Kensei, and other classes. He acknowledged in the original post that he had the same opinions as most, Warlord needs nerfed, Kensei needs buffed, etc. Don't call him trash for playing Warlord, he said he did and said he thinks he's too strong. Second thing, Orochi is not overpowered. If you think he is, then I suggest either playing him or getting better in general because everyone in high level play agrees he is either mid tier or needs a buff. Don't go around spreading hate when you don't know your facts about something. I'm not trying to be a d***, but it really isn't right for you to be doing this ****.

[Monkey8Bee]

M0nso0n aren't you a breath of fresh air. Not because of the topic, but thank you for not getting into the emotion-driven arguments. Many topics end up with people bit***ng about how they "think" and so on ... Anyway, kept your mind on topic. Maybe we will see some more "character analyses" from you ... ?

[Saurons_blade]

Yes... he does, have you tried orochis side hits? If you are talking about orochis top hits or zone, then yeah they are faster, but the issue is, people just keep their block on top and orochi got nothing.

Well that's what people try to do. but if you play the Orochi like i do, you'll get those top lights straight into thei'r faces. The Orochi is not unbalanced at all. he is one of the most balanced heroes the game has to offer. Not being top tier doesn't automatically make him ****. I've wrecked some wardens. I've wrecked some conquerors. Hell i killed Peacekeepers! Infact I'm so good with the orochi that it kinda starts to get boring.

You wanna talk underpowered? Take a look at the Raider. Especially if you are a console player. That poor guy was originally designed to be an offensive opressor! and now look at him! the only thing he can do to win is parrying. He's more reliant on defense than fcking conqueror and warlord!

[Desu_Vulthala]

I do well with orochi as well but this really has nothing to do with what I am saying. Anyone who does very good with orochi, which I think they way you play as well probably, is the way you can play with any hero. Lets just say warden is considered to be top tier but I don't really wanna see nerf on him that would render his **** useless, i don't even play the hero but my reasoning is that I really do not think that devs intended this game to be watered down mess that it is now.

It comes down to feint battle and if you even dare to use any moves you got with orochi, you are likely ****ed.

Just a quick overview of his moves.

The side hits are all slow and good for feinting which is fine.

The moves that you should never use because you get same result for less risk with a parry:
Side dodge attacks
Storm rush
deflect
riptide strike

Thats literally all of his moves, all of them. To explain this just look at it this way. Any of those moves that you do can result in you being parried. There really no reason to even use deflect because of a chance of them feinting, same as dodge attacks. So basically just parry. As for storm rush, only really good if you can pull it off at someones face, because distance for gb cancel and feint on it is pitiful.

[CaynAldan]

M0nso0n, i completly agree with u. In fact I started a similar threat, but u explain far better than me. I switch from Orochi o valk and i fell like you. It's like orochi goes super-saiyan! same move, far more better results and more combos. I only miss damage (yeah, orochi do a lot of damage) but i have better "storm rush" ( no damage, but with total cover, with cancel to light and with unblockable throw) better side attack, double top light, even better side counter!
With orochi i feel myself without options.
In my opinion, Orochi needs storm rush be more similar to hidden stance, show side of attackwhen it would be finishing, not at start, and hurricane blast like finisher for chain combos, to do a bit of mind play.
Some soft feint as Pk (cancel heavy with light) or zerk (cancel with dodge) could be great. Maybe with riptide strike (for giving it some use, but with the move u need it would be an inviable cancel )
Other way could be to make storm rush unblockable. Before people get mad i sould say it's a move very easy to parry and dodge.
In other way.. don't u think riptide strike would be far more suitable with same button input as storm rush but with light attack? it appear more natural for me...

To finish, i should say that I am not asking for give all of this to orochi, just a suggestion for some of them to give orochi some option.

[igrocki]

orochi, his ide was good on paper but now when lots of players have skill and tactics it sux... orochi need to be rebuild/redesign or ad least buff.. maybe unbreakable by hits attacks like barserker or some thing else, idk but some thing should be done with this char...

[Desu_Vulthala]

I really do not think he needs an unblockable since it's just not in his nature, same as he should not have a free opener like shield charge. I am totally fine with him being all mind game but he lacks in that department greatly. In fact when I fight people that just don't parry and block instead, you literally got absolutely nothing.

This is why I think that first thing that should be fixed for him is storm rush. Make the distance longer on it, make it so you can feint it a little latter, give that feint an extra step. Also make it so you can swap the direction of where it will hit from while you already release it. Even with being able to feint it later and swapping sword from left to right a few times wont make it good though, and here what will, make it so you can gb cancel it far later. It does not need to be entire storm rush run window, but it does need to be close to it so that you don't run into someones face and try to storm rush from there just so you can land that gb cancel. It is pretty bad as it is now, and you got to do so much **** perfectly for it to work, thats why no one is using it that gb cancel.

[Desu_Vulthala]

Devs gonna be just ignoring this? I mean it's nice they started replying for like few days, but now it seem like they putting in far less effort in communication again.

[Saurons_blade]

Devs gonna be just ignoring this? I mean it's nice they started replying for like few days, but now it seem like they putting in far less effort in communication again.

That's what it feels like in the forums, but I think the latest devstreams are more or less direct replies to the most common suggestions in the forum. Also there are many threads regarding one and the same topic, so wouldn't it be much more efficient to talk about it once in a week instead of writing stuff everyday?

[Juuzaam]

I feel like Orochi is not in a to bad spot. The majority of heros doenst have any realy viable tool, you bascily demand to get everything viable.
As an exmaple, the dodgeattack is a tool, you are supposed to use it for specific situations and not spam it. btw. it is a very strong tool, turning a few 50/50 into a 33/33/33 which is ****ing great!
Strom rush is a decently great baiting tool, compared to other heros, it also includes a high damaging whiff punisher. Stormrush cancels into gb, zone toplight or even side heavies are ****ing hard to handle...this is already stronger than the offense of other heros.
As a small bonus, Orochi got a zone which is bascily not blockable on reactions, creating a realy nasty mixup with the toplight...which is just the highest damage light in the game.

Imo, every hero is lacking variation in his movesets, but Orochi got at least a few tools and a strong mixup.