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Starting this off with this short, somewhat funny, clip:
My thoughts:
You should not be ran over by the shugoki if you are mid roll....
You may say just dodge it. But then a shugoki has 2 options when they are running up to you: Charge or guardbreak. Charge and dodge ok cool, dodge but he does a guardbreak, you then cant counter it.
Rolling away mostly works because you cannot be guardbroken when rolling and 60% of the time you will successfully roll out of the Charge's way. But then it becomes a Shugoki running at you fight what are you going to do, you have to me a psychic to guess what he'll do.
For example: lets say he is running after you you dodge roll out of the way he missed the Charge, (y'all have distance between you now) he comes running in again you dodge roll and he can't get the guardbreak off. Rinse repeat now you out of stamina and are dead meat because you cant roll lol.
Also why does the character who gets charged fly towards the most random direction, such as in the video?
Anyways let me know you guys' thoughts on it.
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Well, I main the fat man, and... it's a bit much, but it's one of his only sources of misdirection. He has no real mixups outside the charge/GB, and against certain characters (like the Conq) he has no safe moves at all outside of the charge (as evidenced by a few of the finals in the last couple of tournaments).Originally Posted by UbiJurassic Go to original post
I think it's spammability needs to be changed. It's a nice way to open a fight, but it's also almost completely safe to disengage and repeat after attempting it, and it's that safety that leads people to spam it, IMHO. I've seen quite a few nice suggestions for changing it, (mostly around penalizing stamina regeneration or by putting the ability on a cooldown) but here's my 10c:
Slightly lower the free stamina window for short charges, and Increase the cooldown for stamina regeneration to kick in after the charge, depending on how many stamina segments you have used.
i.e.
no segments (short charge): an extra 200ms;
1 segment: an extra 400ms,
2 segments, 600 (or more), etc.
I get that the fat man is supposed to be the embodiment of a vengeful Oni, but there's still a lot of lard under that laquered timber to lug around. That sort of sprint has to put more stress on an already stressed cardiovascular system
I guess what i'm trying to do is limit how much control the Shug has over opening a fight, by limiting his ability to fight after spamming the ability. A player that uses it too much would put themselves at an enormous disadvantage against a player willing to put pressure on them, and a canny enemy would be able to avoid the first few charges and deliberately goad the Shug into exhausting themselves.
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This is from a tournament, and I use that term loosely, most matches looked like this with Shugoki present: https://clips.twitch.tv/CoweringTallEmuHassaanChop
"Very intense."
There are plenty of suggestions as to how Shugoki's Charge of the Oni can be re-worked or balanced, just have a look in Suggestions & Feedback section.
For example Stamina Cost adjustment on Hit and/or Miss needs to be looked at; charge of the Oni knocks down all players in its path, a case could be made that it should not reward Shugoki a free Heavy or Light attack after the fact as it is a powerful Disable/CC move. Finally, giving players a window of opportunity to Punish Shugoki who whiffs his charge (which is currently impossible as Shugoki is out of range for Punish) should also be discussed.
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