Conqueror Needs To Be Re-Balanced! | Forums

[JediGamerFurius]

I play with him, he is one of my favorites. But I don't think we could put feint on him. He is good at blocking and hold a spot (that's why he is a tank), but still I agree when ppl say he is an one trick poney. Indeed he needs more moves.

[Beeeeeeeeeb]

Please ignore anyone who is basing their opinion of Conq's from ****ing Dominion (or any game type with feats for that matter).

Balancing needs to come from the core game, e.g., Duels and Brawls.

Let's take a look at Conq:

• Only character who can't feint (although I suppose heavy > fullblock is a "feint" it's predictable and Conq can easily be GB out of it.)
• Only character who can't kill an opponent with a heavy.
• One of few character's whose ZA is worthless and only good at killing soldiers
• Charged heavy is telegraphed so much it's one of the easiest and most punishable attacks in the game
• Light attacks are fairly quick but easy to block and do next to no damage
• Has the SLOWEST stamina recovery only beaten by Shugoki - who has super armor - which at least gives him chance to recover his stamina.
• Is one of the only characters who has numerous "states" where he can be GB without being able to CGB... wouldn't be a big deal if Warlord couldn't kill him in one hit for ONE mistake
• Shield bash loop combo can only be repeated 3 times, is easy to dodge out of and drains Conq's stamina entirely. Everyone *****es about this but Vortex is still untouched.
• Fullblock stance drains stamina significantly and is pretty much useless in Duels/Brawls
• Parrying as Conq is worthless.
• Throws are bad
• Run speed is bad
• Dodges are bad
• EVERYTHING Conq can do Warlord can do better. If Conq was outright removed the game would not change in a single way.

Let's look at his good points:

• Pretty good in Dominion
• Revenge > SB > Heavy > SB > Heavy exploit is broken (this is a problem with THE GAME, not the character)
• Funniest emote
• Charged Heavy can kill squishies in 3 hits but they need to be braindead to actually get hit

And that's all I can think of.

Do you see the problem?

I'm not kidding I've played this game since closed Beta and Conqueror is still the rarest character to come across. I've never been killed by one (in a Duel or Brawl fair fight). If he was so great why does no one pick him?

It blows my mind that the Warlord can throw you off any edge at any time and even CHAIN THROWS and no one thinks this is overpowered but the Conqueror being able to hit you for a free 8 damage after a shield bash is apparently "broken"

Has anyone here ever even played a fighting game? It's insane.

[Specialkha]

Duel core game? If they want to go esport, it will be on a dominion base.

[JediGamerFurius]

What is the problem with conqueror holding spot on dominion? He is a tank, he is supost to do things like that. Warlord the same. By the way, I think the charge atack should be unblockable, that way people will start to use it, cus right now is crap.

[nagya12356]

He cant feint LOL he CAN. Just read the move set. With full stance he can feint and go to shield bash inmediatly.

[RatedChaotic]

Please ignore anyone who is basing their opinion of Conq's from ****ing Dominion (or any game type with feats for that matter).

Balancing needs to come from the core game, e.g., Duels and Brawls.

Let's take a look at Conq:

• Only character who can't feint (although I suppose heavy > fullblock is a "feint" it's predictable and Conq can easily be GB out of it.)
• Only character who can't kill an opponent with a heavy.
• One of few character's whose ZA is worthless and only good at killing soldiers
• Charged heavy is telegraphed so much it's one of the easiest and most punishable attacks in the game
• Light attacks are fairly quick but easy to block and do next to no damage
• Has the SLOWEST stamina recovery only beaten by Shugoki - who has super armor - which at least gives him chance to recover his stamina.
• Is one of the only characters who has numerous "states" where he can be GB without being able to CGB... wouldn't be a big deal if Warlord couldn't kill him in one hit for ONE mistake
• Shield bash loop combo can only be repeated 3 times, is easy to dodge out of and drains Conq's stamina entirely. Everyone *****es about this but Vortex is still untouched.
• Fullblock stance drains stamina significantly and is pretty much useless in Duels/Brawls
• Parrying as Conq is worthless.
• Throws are bad
• Run speed is bad
• Dodges are bad
• EVERYTHING Conq can do Warlord can do better. If Conq was outright removed the game would not change in a single way.

Let's look at his good points:

• Pretty good in Dominion
• Revenge > SB > Heavy > SB > Heavy exploit is broken (this is a problem with THE GAME, not the character)
• Funniest emote
• Charged Heavy can kill squishies in 3 hits but they need to be braindead to actually get hit

And that's all I can think of.

Do you see the problem?

I'm not kidding I've played this game since closed Beta and Conqueror is still the rarest character to come across. I've never been killed by one (in a Duel or Brawl fair fight). If he was so great why does no one pick him?

It blows my mind that the Warlord can throw you off any edge at any time and even CHAIN THROWS and no one thinks this is overpowered but the Conqueror being able to hit you for a free 8 damage after a shield bash is apparently "broken"

Has anyone here ever even played a fighting game? It's insane.

1. Full stance Shield bash....try and guard break it when your outta gb range. The shield bash will get you if you dont dodge.
2. Cant kill an opponent with a heavy? Lemme guess your trying to connect with the first swing every time
3. Works better than most in 1v2+ scenarios and I can do it while in full block stance. Zones are supposed to be used for soldiers. Its in the first 5 mins of the game
4. Light attack chain is very deadly if you get stuck in it.

I think you get the point so theres no need for me to continue going number by number.

[Beeeeeeeeeb]

1. Full stance Shield bash....try and guard break it when your outta gb range. The shield bash will get you if you dont dodge.
2. Cant kill an opponent with a heavy? Lemme guess your trying to connect with the first swing every time
3. Works better than most in 1v2+ scenarios and I can do it while in full block stance. Zones are supposed to be used for soldiers. Its in the first 5 mins of the game
4. Light attack chain is very deadly if you get stuck in it.

I think you get the point so theres no need for me to continue going number by number.

1. Dodge forward then gb. Not difficult. SB is easy to dodge.
2. Literally can not kill an opponent with a heavy. NOTE: THIS HAS BEEN RECTIFIED WITH THE RECENT PATCH. But Conq's heavy does 23 damage and recoverable health is 25HP - ergo, Conq can NOT kill someone with a Heavy. He is the only character like this.
3. Duels are not 1v2 so I guess Conq is just **** out of luck. Unless you plan on playing 1v2 all the time? What.
Zones are supposed to be used for soldiers? I guess that's why Raider's ZA is an unblockable and Warden's is his fastest and best attack. Bersker's is the 4 hit chain etc, etc. Have you even played the game? top lol
4. IF you get stuck in it. It takes >10 hits to kill even the weakest characters and is incredibly predictable because it only comes out left or right. Left > Right > Left > Right. If you get hit more than 3 times by that you deserve it tbh. The chain usually ends with UP because it comes out slower and is easier to block.

stop talking about a game you apparently have not played.

[cane2simons]

He cant feint LOL he CAN. Just read the move set. With full stance he can feint and go to shield bash inmediatly.

Just a note here: If you feint with a normal hero you use up less stamina than swinging. If you use the full block stance to "feint" you IMMEDIATELY go down a few stamina points AND halt your stamina regeneration. Did i mention his full block stance shield bash is slower than his other ways of shield bashing? Real effective way of "feinting".....

[Natedog858585]

the thing with conch is that you need to feint differently. his inf light chain has an extremely large window for continuation and you can pull it extremely late when people get ready to counter the heavy or you stopping. fullblock can also feint, and his shield heavy parry is great for counterattacking. the heavy charge is only for 4v4, but you can use it to feint with a wiff on purpose and follow up with a normal heavy that many people fall for.

hell half the combos are only good because whiffing sometimes makes turtles open up for the counter only to get smacked.

[cane2simons]

Conqueror is not balanced. A super fast shield bash with a garenteed light at the end, and you can pretend to step foward causing your opponent to dodge. Yeah its a 50/50 guessing game. And his info says "hard hitter" yet he cant 1 hit kill at the regeneration point with a heavy. Come ON, he carries a FLAIL, you know how effective that is at smashing through armor? His heavy damage should be buffed to around 30-40 damage, but his shield bash should be slowed to about the speed of a lawbringers bully shove.