Conqueror Needs To Be Re-Balanced! | Forums

[cane2simons]

Note, i used the word RE-BALANCED! Not nerfed. I'll explain in very clear detail(like all my other threads if you take the time to read them) why conqueror is very unbalanced and needs to be reworked.
In general: Conqueror is pretty bad without his shield bash. He CANNOT feint, which means if he uses an attack other than shield bash, its 100% parriable.
Conqueror's shield bash changes this. If he hits you with his shield bash he get's a garenteed light. This gives him an IMPRESSIVE win rate in 1 v 1's.
This is not the way it should be!!!
Conqueror needs to be rebalanced, listen to these words closely:
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A hero in For Honor should not have bad abilities with one stupidly fast and overpowered ability that allows him to win. It should be balanced, with good abilities all round.
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^^^THIS IS SO TRUE IT HURTS^^^
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In other words, conqueror sucks without his shield bash MAINLY because he can't feint, and if he doesn't shield bash you to get a free hit, you have every opportunity to parry!!!
please note, before you spam in the comments "YEAH REMOVE HIS ONE ABILITY THAT MAKES HIM GOOD" note what i just said, he shouldn't be bad without that 1 ability.
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So, nerf his shield bash but BUFF his other abilities so he is *cough*BALANCED*cough* and doesn't suck without the 1 ability that allows him to win many battles.
"^^OMG NERF IT?!^" ____ ^^^Yes, but read what i said after that before you go spam that his "one good ability shouldn't be nerfed"^^^
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I will update this if need be.
As always i try to be as thorough as possible so you get what im saying. I know the smarter of you will get what im saying. Like this post if you agree, and if you disagree with what im saying comment as to why...I'll ignore extremely irrational arguements.
Thank you.

[RatedChaotic]

You have 14hrs on the Conq yet you didnt mention this......Full Guard Stance can be used to feint. Its in the advanced video. Tho you said he CANNOT feint.

Well with that being said about your first sentence in your thread. I wonder what else is wrong.

[cane2simons]

You have 14hrs on the Conq yet you didnt mention this......Full Guard Stance can be used to feint. Its in the advanced video. Tho you said he CANNOT feint.

Well with that being said about your first sentence in your thread. I wonder what else is wrong.

Here, let me spell out for you why that's not an effective way of "feinting", If you can even call it that.
Feinting's primary use is to cause your opponent to make a move, weather it be a dodge so you can guard break them, or tricking them into using a heavy(tricking them into parrying) then instead, feint, wait for their heavy to hit you, and parry THEM. If you use full block stance to "feint", the best you'll be able to do is ethier block their next attack, or be lucky to get a shield bash in. Therefore, using full block may be used to "feint", but not in an effective way to really be helpful since it takes time to exit full block stance. We're talking about Conqueror, not Warlord who can exit full block with actual fast and damaging attacks.... Now go read the rest of my post before calling me wrong please. I've played conqueror and been against conquerors enough to know he needs a rework, especially since my overall playtime is 449+ hours and my overall prestige number is 24+

[eliteslayer66]

I agree. He really needs to be looked at. Before he was almost a one trick pony. Yes he was to hard to crack, bu he doesn't really have much in the first place.

[RatedChaotic]

Here, let me spell out for you why that's not an effective way of feinting, thank you very much for calling me wrong. -.-
Feinting's primary use is to cause your opponent to make a move, weather it be a dodge so you can guard break them, or tricking them into using a heavy(tricking them into parrying) then instead, feint, wait for their heavy to hit you, and parry THEM. If you use full block stance to feint, the best you'll be able to do is ethier block their next attack, or be lucky to get a shield bash in. Therefore, using full block may be used to feint, but not in an effective way to really be helpful since it takes time to exit full block stance. We're talking about Conqueror, not Warlord who can exit full block with actual fast and damaging attacks.... Now go read the rest of my post before calling me wrong please. I've played conqueror and been against conquerors enough to know he needs a rework, especially since my overall playtime is 449+ hours and my overall prestige number is 24+

Then why was the full stance feint not listed at all in your report of the Conqueror? If you know him so well I think I wouldve mentioned it. Instead all you kept saying he CANNOT feint(your words) tho the advanced video says otherwise. Therefore you were wrong my friend. Whether you think its effective or not.

Personally, I've used it enough and thought that it was very effective in some situations. So I have an opposite OPINION. You can have 1 million hours played and still get things wrong.

[DrExtrem]

This hero is either a joke or a curse

- charged attack is useless against a anything, that knows what a guard break is
- heavy strikes are slow but deal very low damage (heavy hitter - lol)
- conscript's attrition is easily blocked (especially by bots)
- entire gameplay revolves around shield bash
- superior block heavy attacks is not working or it is not clear under which circumstances it works

This hero was only usable, if cheesed.

[RatedChaotic]

This hero is either a joke or a curse

- charged attack is useless against a anything, that knows what a guard break is
- heavy strikes are slow but deal very low damage (heavy hitter - lol)
- conscript's attrition is easily blocked (especially by bots)
- entire gameplay revolves around shield bash
- superior block heavy attacks is not working or it is not clear under which circumstances it works

This hero was only usable, if cheesed.

I dont agree with this either. I have fought some really good conqs that didnt use the shield bash spam.

Gameplay revolves around shield bash. Well if I fought with a big *** shield I'd use it as a weapon aswell. Common sense really.

The charged attack. If your always trying to hit your target with the first swing everytime. Your playing him wrong. PS your out of gb range when u do this combo. Intentionally miss the first swing and come back from another direction. Most of the time you'll connect.

[cane2simons]

Then why was the full stance feint not listed at all in your report of the Conqueror? If you know him so well I think I wouldve mentioned it. Instead all you kept saying he CANNOT feint(your words) tho the advanced video says otherwise. Therefore you were wrong my friend. Whether you think its effective or not.

Personally, I've used it enough and thought that it was very effective in some situations. So I have an opposite OPINION. You can have 1 million hours played and still get things wrong.

I don't really have time to deal with nonsense. I said he couldn't feint but you said he could. He can "feint", but not in the way ALL other heroes do it, its highly ineffective, If you can even call it feinting; In his moveset it specifically says "Contrary to other heroes, the conqueror cannot feint." If you want to think using full block stance to cancel an attack is feinting, be my guest. We're finished here, onto posts that actually have some form of arguement as to why conqueror should or should not be rebalanced. Good day.

[cane2simons]

This hero is either a joke or a curse

- charged attack is useless against a anything, that knows what a guard break is
- heavy strikes are slow but deal very low damage (heavy hitter - lol)
- conscript's attrition is easily blocked (especially by bots)
- entire gameplay revolves around shield bash
- superior block heavy attacks is not working or it is not clear under which circumstances it works

This hero was only usable, if cheesed.

I agree, most of his abilities are pretty bad, and his heavy WONT kill a hero at the regen point of health in a normal duel, unlike other heavy attacks. As you stated, which i strongly agree with: "This hero was only usable, if cheesed" You always have to use lights and hope to get lucky not to get parried by someone who knows what they're doing. This hero is the extreme version of a 1 trick pony as someone else said. Youll be lucky to hit a skilled opponent without using your shield bash first...

[Specialkha]

Obviously, conq does not need anything but a nerf again. It is still Op, especially in dominion where it is far too good at holding point and kiiking using ledges or pikes.