Conqueror died perfectly . 1.05patch killed him . | Forums

[sakao20noveru]

I agree with nerf of conqueror itself .
But this patch is too much . UBI , what are you going to make conqueror ? Being removed shieldbush's advance , the only way for conqueror to start out to enemy .

Conquerors must be much more passive . Is it really your purpose?
I think this patch for conqueror will make fightings more boring .

The best answer for conqueror's nerf , I think , is just removing the bug that full block stance can block enemy 's attack even if it is confirmed .

Frankly speaking , it's unreasonable for me why UBI didn't nerf warden dispite conqueror and warlord get nerfed . Warden also has powerful tackle .

I'd like to ask UBI . What do you want to make conqueror ?

[Goat3_Saeko]

Apparently the big problem was conqueror and warlord. It seems to me big winners after the last "balance" update are lawbringer and kensei so you can go with the stream and reroll class or you can persist in conqueror and w8 for the 2 new classes I know I do. And I hope people will now stop whining about those 2 classes ffs we had enough tell me another class who can run out that fast from stamina?

[Saint Santana]

I hear you. As a conq main this patch is just very disappointing because conqueror lost an opener for an attack. Who in their right mind is gonna let a charged flail that swings at the speed of a whole day hit them?

[KotoKuraken]

The problem with their approach to nerfing Conqueror is that they made his problem even worse. They complained that Conqueror's were turtling too much. So, they remove the only viability for offense, and now his offensive approach is completely removed and we are left with a turtle who occasionally makes a sparkling ball every now and then

[G0dzBlaze]

The problem with their approach to nerfing Conqueror is that they made his problem even worse. They complained that Conqueror's were turtling too much. So, they remove the only viability for offense, and now his offensive approach is completely removed and we are left with a turtle who occasionally makes a sparkling ball every now and then

The shield bash is still there but now you cant only rely on it and spam it until you win. You have to use your head

[Desu_Vulthala]

No, he is not nerfed as bad and they did not make the problem worse. What did I had to deal with before? Either conq just turtling all day and is perfect at it, but then he also has a very safe opened that does not only give free heavy, it deals stam dmg, and can be spammed. This is now not an issue, he is not two button king that has everything for offense and defense.

Now he is fine because he can be forced to attack, while no attack should be just a safe opener that leads into a heavy lol.

[Peligrad]

No, he is not nerfed as bad and they did not make the problem worse. What did I had to deal with before? Either conq just turtling all day and is perfect at it, but then he also has a very safe opened that does not only give free heavy, it deals stam dmg, and can be spammed. This is now not an issue, he is not two button king that has everything for offense and defense.

Now he is fine because he can be forced to attack, while no attack should be just a safe opener that leads into a heavy lol.

That would be fine if they had also buffed his attack speeds on his light attacks.

Conqs didn't choose to shield bash exclusively just because it was their best attack. They shield bashed exclusively because it was their only attack.

If the conq's light attacks would have been buffed in terms of speed, then fine. But having the slowest and lowest damage dealing attacks and also taking away their only safe attack isn't forcing them to attack... it's forcing them to reroll to a different class.

[rodriguez1221]

What a bunch of complainers. Your upset because you cant spam shield bash like all you do? Learn to play. I played conq becore the patch fairly and maybe if you learned to play with him instead of being a repeat spammer you would do alot better. Just saying get over it because you cant be a cheapskate anymore. Only thing i agree on is that the conqueror could definitely have an increase in damage. But thats all

before the patch conqs SB was the only attack that some characters of the cast had a hard time with all his other attacks are slow and so is the ghetto faint. Not only that but he struggles with fast lights because of his slower guard switch startup and bad mobility. Now he truly has nothing and your opponent will just be able to sit there waiting for a parry or a grab if you decide to do that slow faint. As for superior on block it is very unlikely you will land that on someone good.

[Desu_Vulthala]

That would be fine if they had also buffed his attack speeds on his light attacks.

Conqs didn't choose to shield bash exclusively just because it was their best attack. They shield bashed exclusively because it was their only attack.

If the conq's light attacks would have been buffed in terms of speed, then fine. But having the slowest and lowest damage dealing attacks and also taking away their only safe attack isn't forcing them to attack... it's forcing them to reroll to a different class.

Here is the issue with your thinking. You want your hero to be good at everything, don't get me wrong here by the way, not the best, but good.

He had shield bash combo which was just laughable easy to do and you could not even punish with anything but a light attack sometimes if you do manage to dodge it. So they fix it and now you think that conq also deserves a buff to attack speed? Why? Here an example, I play 4 heroes that are past rep 3, two of them have either safe opener or semi saife, warlord and valk. Then my orochi does not have either, all he got is feints and zone. I personally think that he needs a buff but not the sort of buff that will give him a free opener, more like something you can do with his moves for better mind games. It is because he is not a hero that should even have a safe opener.

With this in mind look at conq, he is a tank that can do good dmg with heavies. Has full stance guard and has now semi good opener shield bash. There is no reason why a tank that has all of that also needs faster attack speed. Because he is a tank and being a swift ballerina is not his thing. He was balanced out to be more skill involving hero, and not just one two and repeat spam monster.

[rodriguez1221]

Here is the issue with your thinking. You want your hero to be good at everything, don't get me wrong here by the way, not the best, but good.

He had shield bash combo which was just laughable easy to do and you could not even punish with anything but a light attack sometimes if you do manage to dodge it. So they fix it and now you think that conq also deserves a buff to attack speed? Why? Here an example, I play 4 heroes that are past rep 3, two of them have either safe opener or semi saife, warlord and valk. Then my orochi does not have either, all he got is feints and zone. I personally think that he needs a buff but not the sort of buff that will give him a free opener, more like something you can do with his moves for better mind games. It is because he is not a hero that should even have a safe opener.

With this in mind look at conq, he is a tank that can do good dmg with heavies. Has full stance guard and has now semi good opener shield bash. There is no reason why a tank that has all of that also needs faster attack speed. Because he is a tank and being a swift ballerina is not his thing. He was balanced out to be more skill involving hero, and not just one two and repeat spam monster.

Well here is the issue with your thinking. You want his hero to be good at nothing. The only thing that the SB is good for now is getting that weak light attack off of an unsafe SB that he won't even bother to do since the risk is so high. his ghetto faint is slow and so are the lights and heavys he has. He also drains his stamina faster than anyone else in the game so you can barely mix anyone up. Of course, now that the SB is unsafe trying to go for offense at all means death with the conqueror. Of course it is common in a fighting game that people start getting a little jealous when their character does not have the best tools out of the lot so that's why people picked at the conqueror for having that one attack the rest of the crew did not have despite him being mediocre at best in the faint, speed, guard switch, movement, dodge, damage and overall move variety departement. But hey now people are still going to complain about the conqueror's zone attack being op XD. Even after conq becomes normalized trash people will still complain about the speed of his i-dont-know-what because the conq is rarely seen outside of 4.v.4 and whenever people can't block his totally fast op charged heavy that travels for hours until it hits, they tend to get a little salty. After patch 1.05 what can the conqueror do that others cant do better? Orochi can feint and has a zone attack like you said not only that but his attacks are faster and deal more damage. the conq had SB but look at other characters like pk who has the fastest attacks in the game, Let's normalize them too! Let's normalise the shugoki's run knockdown or grab mixup aswell! In the end it's all going to come down to a staring contest but hey at least your lowtier orochi with just faints and zones is going to be safe. Tell me what conqueror can do now whenever you just go up in his face ready for his moves. Nothing. Try going up against a good prestige 5 pk who knows how to wait while playing conq and tell me how well you can get those superior on block heavy's that he has. Normalised trash should be the description for conq now not hardhitter or good defense. Your valk and warlord have 3X quicker startup for their initial block direction switch btw not that you would know it. And if you don't believe me when i say SB should not have been made unsafe then listen to what the pros have to say about it (at 42mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GObGAltJrAU&t=3001s