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[RoosterIlluzion]

So you admit yourself that PK uses nothing but light spam that's too fast to block. I say, keep everyone's speed where it's at and increase the slow hero block speed.

[cragar212]

Hmm unless you are actively competing in these tournaments it doesn't affect you anyways. These tournaments have an entry fee and the majority of competitors preferred it this way /shrug. Plenty of tournaments running that haven't banned pk.

[Raven-Mad]

The main problem with the PK is the guard change speed of some classes... Pure and simple, I think she could do with a slight damage nerf, but that is another discussion...
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I disagree it's the main problem, it's a problem possibly, but not the main problem. The main problem is one of effort vs effort, the balance of how hard it is for one class to fight a PK. Sure, any class nearly can beat a PK if they get their prediction down by reading their opponent. The issue is the PK can do the same to them, but more than that the PK is the one that demands you get a hard/fast read on them in order to be able to fight them. To ever punish a zone attack you must accurately predict when it will occur and get the parry. Many pks are obvious, but this is because they're bad or are doing something bad, not because the class is not op. Many Wardens are obvious with their SB vortex and always just guard break soft cancel, doesn't mean the SB vortex isn't really strong, and of course you can avoid it completely multiple different ways. The issue is effort vs effort. The effort a Warden even, as unquestionably one of the top 5 (even if he's considered the weakest/2nd weakest in 1v1 along with Shugoki), has to put in to beat a PK is enormous.

Let me put it this way: fought a rep 25 pk for like 5 matches a few days ago, fairly strong PK (I'm a fairly strong rep 11 warden), lost every match only winning a few of the rounds. Fought a rep 30 LB with insanely strong feint game, amazing prediction, near master of his class: won every match lost only a couple rounds.

The issue is the PK can punish any minor slip up, has the absolute best neutral game around, has unpunishable zone, has the best dodges by far (very hard to catch her in recovery frames where she can't tech), can't be punished when out of stam, has exceedingly high dps, insanely strong wall gb, and oh yeah has a very simple and easy to understand moveset.

[escacleo]

So Ban PK for light spam but Shugoki oni charge spam to side heavy is ok? So what ban Shugoki and peacekeeper. Very few classes have some kind of exploit that the tournaments exhibit. If Ubisoft does watch tournaments I'm sure that's where they get their main ideas for nerfing OP abilities

[CoyoteXStarrk]

I thank god people like you don't run this game OP lol

[TheRevanchist27]

Your "it's your responsibility to L2P" argument only applies when the grounds are reasonably even amongst all classes. When you're forced to iceskate uphill, whereas your opponent enjoys the leisure of a downhill slalom, the responsibility to level the playing field comes before individual responsibility to adapt.

If you honestly think the PK is in the exact same playing field as any other class, and does not have its every move just haywire in an insane risk-reward ratio, then I guess there's no way to convince you otherwise.

All I can say is the simpler, colder, harder truth is that absolute majority of the people disagree with your assessment, and there does exist a problem with balance in regards to PK. Accept that as a "cold, hard truth," friend.

Argumentum ad Populum. The logical fallacy that just because a (perceived) majority of people say something, that it must obviously be true, is not actually the case.

[DrinkinMyStella]

PK level 2 and 3 bot = Getting destroyed

[End_My_Life12]

I really do not understand the Ban. Peacekeeper is fast yes however it is your responsibility as an above average player to adapt and overcome that challenge. otherwise you are not an above average player and no longer have the right to claim you are good. I main Lawbringer and have my own method specifically for fighting Peacekeepers. Wanna know how to learn to be good at facing a peacekeeper? Go online and play until you meet a good peacekeeper..I'm talking the most annoying hard to kill one you can find. Then make friends with said person and ask them to duel you in custom matches..I did that for literally 10hrs in one sitting..I lost a lot..and learned what works. that is how you do it. You take the beating until you learn how to beat a playstyle. That is a skill gap. Skill gaps are required in competitive fields in order for the Best of the Best to stand out. Otherwise it is just a bunch of noobs having a game they can all feel awesome with. Do we as a community of gamers not see the flaw in this crap. Back in the old Halo days..Halo being the Godfather of MLG in the beginning. You knew who was good or not, because your skill was forged out of pure beatings. That is how champions in competitions are made.

You do not baby a pro player or someone wishing to be known as such. You put them up against anything and everything you can muster and their real measure will be known after. After reading someone admit they cannot handle a character I deduce that is a very bad player who can only win if the circumstances meet their skill level...meaning it is an average player who is still on a long road to being considered Good at the game.

-with respect
,OddGirl.

You know Peacekeeper is broken when a Peacekeeper main is pretending to use another character and claiming she's balanced lol. Caught you in a game, and I was sure to take screenshots!

http://imgur.com/3dmgxhF

[lDelicious]

The Peacekeeper only became OP when the so called "pro" players started discovering "tech". The specific "tech" that made her OP was the indicator bug, and lo and behold, this was not mentioned in the dev stream.

Amazing isn't it? Everyone complains about the PK, but no one has a problem with the Wardens 25/25/25/25 SB.

[End_My_Life12]