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    Thoughts on the Conq Nerf

    I main a Conq. I am by no means a good player, just average I would say.

    I am concerned to hear in the latest Warriors Den that they are bringing a small nerf to the Conq in the next patch. I understand that alot of people give out about the Shield Bash into Heavy into Shield Bash spam, but when you learn to avoid it, it is incredibly easy to get away from leaving the Conq with little other options, than to Sheild Bash into a light and back off and repeat or wait and try to Parry and follow with a GB.

    People complain about playing the Conq as a turtle but if I am honest, he has a very very limited moveset that is built completely around Shield Bashing to open opponents up.

    When you move past the shield bash you are into his charged heavy, heavy and light attacks. The light attacks are very useful at stopping chains but they only deal 12 dmg per hit, the lowest damage in the game, i might add. The heavy attack is slow and very easy to parry, so it has to be used in conjunction with the shield bash to allow you time to land a heavy.

    As for the charged heavy, yes when it hits, it deals good damage but it is such a high risk attack. You miss and you are open to a GB and a world of hurt.

    The hidden stance is only useful in 4v4, it serves no purpose in 1v1 and 2v2. The Conq is a slow hard to kill turtle, but in return it is extremely hard to kill fast because you cannot deal big damage. So nerfing him is not the solution, you need to assess him on a whole and look into his moveset.

    I am nervous about this nerf and what it might mean for the Conq.
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    Aarpian's Avatar Senior Member
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    He needs nerfs.
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    Can you explain what and why? I have watched you play matches and also watched some of your videos so I respect that you know the Conq inside out.

    Can you explain what you would nerf and why? Just saying he needs nerfs is pointless.
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    He needs a slight rework.

    Right now he is a one trick pony.


    He needs to hit hard and not have to rely on a bash light.
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    Originally Posted by Aarpian Go to original post
    He needs nerfs.
    You keep saying this, citing 'he's boring', and such.

    That isn't an arguement. Give us a actual point as to why Conq needs nerfed aside from bad players get caught in the shield spam.
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    I don't really see why the Conq would need a nerf, as it stands apart form blocking heavys the Warlord can do everything the Conq can do only better. He gets a guaranteed light after the bash, has the jumpattacks, can feint, has uninterruptible heavies...If anything I'd say they should buff the Conq to be in line with the Warlord imo a little bit mor dmg on lights and maybe heavies would be all it takes
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    Originally Posted by Aarpian Go to original post
    He needs nerfs.
    He doesn't need a nerf. He needs a rework. All Conq realistically has is shield bash spam. If they gave Conq better options, as well as slightly nerfing his block (ie. the ability for him to block the stab after Warlord head butt for example) he would be fine.
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    Originally Posted by darkspawn2101 Go to original post
    You keep saying this, citing 'he's boring', and such.

    That isn't an arguement. Give us a actual point as to why Conq needs nerfed aside from bad players get caught in the shield spam.
    It's not a matter of bad players being caught in the shield spam, it's that his shield bash, while being dodgeable, is almost entirely unpunishable. He's not out of line with the other top 4, but they're all out of line with the rest of the cast. You've seen me do it a hundred times to good players in a single match, but no matter how many times they avoid it it never stops being a good idea to try.

    Probably the single most egregious facet of his skillset is the ability to cancel recovery frames from headbutt/shieldbash/shoulderbash etc. and dodge-block the follow-up attack for very little stamina and a guaranteed shield bash. I'm sure it's not even intended, but it makes an already boring matchup a complete coin-flip on whether or not you accidentally hit him out of a shield bash enough times to kill him.


    And don't get me wrong, the second they nerf shield bash and fix the omniblock bug mentioned above, he'll be in the gutter because the rest of his kit blows *** (slow-ish attacks, highly telegraphed, massive stamina cost for trying to do anything interesting, terrible recovery frames on dodges, poor combo options, inability to feint into guard break (well, you can, but it's difficult to do), parries that can get YOU parried). If gutting him into Kensei-tier is the necessary first step to making him interesting to play though, then I'm all for it.

    I think they've missed a lot of opportunities to do something interesting with the flail too.
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    Fair and decent points Aarpian. I can't say I disagree with you. What you are really in favour of is not a major nerf for the class but a complete rework with other options, while bringing the class into line with the other tiers.

    We are not even sure what this "small" nerf is yet, so it is hard to know what they have planned, but what I will say, is that nerfing a class into oblivion without having any sort of road map for the class in place will never work. You are only going to drive players from the game by doing so. The game does not need to lose more players.

    The rate at which they are releasing patches is not fast enough at the moment so breaking a class for 3-4 weeks while they look into fixing the class is not the way forward.

    From what I have heard in the Warriors Den:

    Buffs:

    Lawbringer,
    Kensi,
    Beserker

    Nerfs:

    Warlord,
    Peacekeeper,
    Conqueror

    Bug Fix:

    Nobushi

    Untouched in this patch:

    Raider,
    Warden,
    Shoguki,
    Orochi,
    Valkarie

    We need to let this patch hit and see how it affects the overall game.
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    I agree that he has a very limited moveset . That makes him boring and the only rewarding "combo" is shieldbashheavy" and so on what pisses people of, who cannot dodge in time . But then there are people who dodge every single shieldbash und you as aconqueror are ****ed. Espacialy against Assassinclasses.

    I dont think he should be " buffed" but maybe get some new moves . "hard hitter" ... NEVER ... only because you can charge your attack? come on. his normal heavy attacks do less dmg then every other class. it is known khalleesi !

    I really like to play the Conq but he needs some work.
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