Deflects are kinda useless: Suggestion | Forums

[corazondedelfin]

Also you can't do deflect? Lol its so easy, get good

I can deflect just fine, what are you talking about? What I cant is what nobody else can: use hurricane dust.

Focking troll, mediocrity you say? Hahaha Show me that 2 pictures with better stats from another orochi that you know hahahaha

Troll, do you realize the whole forum will end reporting you right? xD

[MassiveD.]

I can deflect just fine, what are you talking about? What I cant is what nobody else can: use hurricane dust.

Focking troll, mediocrity you say? Hahaha Show me that 2 pictures with better stats from another orochi that you know hahahaha

Troll, do you realize the whole forum will end reporting you right? xD

https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/Bluetack

Just one of hundreds out there, it must really hurt your soul to be so mediocre, doesn't it lol.

Btw I reported all your message that broke forum rules by circumventing profanity filter, enjoy the incoming disciplinary action ^ . ~

[corazondedelfin]

https://fhtracker.com/profile/pc/Bluetack

Are you comparing me with a nolife +1600 matches orochi PC player with almost 7 real days playing with the orochi that you dont even know or know if he is a hacker either? HAHAHAHA But seriously where are the 2 images? I didnt ask for a link that takes me to a general view of a user that serves for nothing and most of people plays just 1 character and there you dont see any other statistic, with the 2 images that I requested you you can see all, anyway you dont know him or her and you have no idea about if he is cheating or hacking, so f*ck off and report this too. WHAT A TROLL INDEED YOU ARE.

[MassiveD.]

Are you comparing me with a nolife +1600 matches orochi PC player with almost 7 real days playing with the orochi that you dont even know or know if he is a hacker either? HAHAHAHA But seriously where are the 2 images? I didnt ask for a link that takes me to a general view of a user that serves for nothing and most of people plays just 1 character and there you dont see any other statistic, with the 2 images that I requested you you can see all, anyway you dont know him or her and you have no idea about if he is cheating or hacking, so f*ck off and report this too. WHAT A TROLL INDEED YOU ARE.

I'm very sorry that you are nowhere near the hundreds of top orochi players out there, in the future try not to claim nonsence, like that you are one of the top , which you are clearly not and likely that will ever be

#debunked

[Alustar.exe]

Did this dude really just ask for proof then say the proof was invalid?
You seriously just ICPeed all over this thread! Lol, you don't understand how magnets and blankets work, but you don't want to hear alternative facts about it?

[blue23454]

I haven't had alot of experience with assasin hero's but from what I can tell deflect is not supposed to be easy to land. Its a high risk, high reward thing. The besterker for example gets an autoguardbreak if he gets a deflect on his opponent. If you have to consider feinting then it gets harder yes, but assassins dodge alot in general anyway so I dont really see the probem with this.

Thanks for your input! It should be high risk high reward, the problem is, it's high risk low reward.

If your opponent is clearly attempting deflects, it can be baited with a heavy + feint into guard break for a free grab. Baiting out a parry, on the other hand, can be cancelled.
PK deflect gives free bleed, PK parry + gb gives triple bleed and stamina damage
Berserker deflect gives free gb, Zerker parry gives free gb and stamina damage
Orochi deflect gives a free light with damage similar (but less IIRC) to a top heavy, parry gives free gb, top heavy, and stamina damage. Alternatively, he has a heavy that does massive damage, but this move is riskier and is mostly good for cancelling into one of three options that are easier to pull off without the heavy to begin with (dodge, light, or guard break)

This wasn't a post to say that deflecting is too hard, or that the reward isn't good enough, in a vacuum I think the concept is fine. The problem is that, compared to parries, deflects are riskier, harder, and less rewarding. I don't want deflect to be better than parrying, I think parrying should be stronger, but in comparison there's virtually no reason to deflect when parrying is so much better. A mechanic like this could give the assassins an easier time opening up opponents; and if given to all heroes (similar to what Allakazzaror suggested, simply giving assassins these "special" attacks on light parry) could actually help with the turtle meta by giving more rewards to light attacks with proper timing.

EDIT: Attacks like Warden's CCS, or Warlord's lights would function the same, as they have that block property on startup

[PepsiBeastin]

How are deflects worthless? Orochi has a light and heavy deflect that auto procs and berserker has a guardbreak deflect. PK only one with a worthless deflect but adding deflects to a pk light attack don't sound like a good idea.

Orochi deflect attacks don't "auto proc". If you don't press an attack button, nothing happens. ALSO, the heavy attack is extremely telegraphed and people just mash lights, knocking your out of it and making your deflect useless.