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    In Defense of Honorable Players

    In Defense of Honorable Players

    To preface this, I am not trying to encourage an honorable play style, and I’m not trying to diss anyone. I am simply here to explain and define a particular point of view, so that some semblance of understanding can be reached.
    I want to serve as a face and voice for people who simply are not listened to. My final goal is to hopefully foster a certain amount of sympathy or understanding for honorable players.
    The following article is meant ONLY to explain what the “honorable player perspective” is- NOT to argue a point or try to convince people to do anything.
    Hatred is born trough ignorance. Victory-obsessed numptys are, most likely, convinced that honorable players are simply immature children who lack skill and only winge about honor when they lose. but who seem to have no problem with using underhanded tactics themselves.

    I see people constantly ridiculing others when they pontificate about honorable conduct. Now, there are two types of "honorable players" in my experience. The type that only use honor as an excuse when it suits them (I.E: crying about being thrown over a ledge), and the type who are actually quite serious and whom don't make excuses for themselves.

    The former can go fu`ck itself- the latter is, in my opinion, is rather admirable.

    Allow me to explain.

    In most mature, and clear-headed circles, throwing someone off a ledge is not dishonorable. THAT IS a matter of skill.
    However: ganking someone is NOT honorable.

    Allow me to explain the logic behind this.

    For example, in a 2v2 match, both players in each team are set in front of a single opponent. In the mind of an honorable player, it only follows that you would FACE said opponent, and focus on beating them. However, those who can't be bothered to think about Honor will gleefully sprint across the map in order to gank a single enemy with the help of their teammate.
    The reason why people with honor see this as "dishonorable" is because they (and I) believe that doing so is a silent admittance of one's own lack of confidence. If your first instinct is to team up on someone, rather than simply fight one person, and THEN fight the next (should your teammate fall), it only makes sense in the eyes of an honorable player that ganking must be an indication of the Ganker's own cowardice, laziness, and lack of confidence in their ability to fight 1v1.
    It's an admittance of fear and of general sliminess.
    You may be asking "why play Brawl, then?". Because, the addition of a teammate and another enemy adds to the TENSION. You see, honorable players are the kinds of players who enjoy the thrill of a good fight, and the suspense of a nail-bitingly unpredictable punch-up. In Brawl, if you fight your opponent, beat them, and find that your teammate failed, it adds to the thrill of moment- your health is already reduced, and it pushes you to fight all the harder.

    Ganking, however, offers no such excitement. It makes the outcome UTTERLY predictable.

    And if you try to “help” an honorable player in this situation and gank the remaining enemy, an honorable player will probably back off and refuse to assist you. You know why? Because they take your “help” as an insult. They see it as an insinuation that you think they need your help. They see it as a show of arrogance and lack of respect for skill and ability to win on their own merits.

    Now, onto why honorable players themselves refuse to gank other people...

    Ganking makes honorable players (REAL honorable players) feel guilty. It leaves a bad taste in their mouth, and they simply can't take themselves seriously by doing it. When an honorable player ganks, they often look at what they are doing and feel absolutely NO satisfaction. There's no THRILL or CATHARSIS to be had in unfairly wrecking the absolute shi`te out of someone. You see, an honorable player, is the kind of player who simply doesn't like "winning" a match, if that victory came through means that were less than impressive. Ganking someone is not impressive. Ganking someone is not something you can have pride in- not for those with honor, at least.

    The "win" at the end of the game, isn't the highlight of the game for them. Simply HANDING on honorable player a victory through ganking gives them NO satisfaction and no joy. It makes them become overwhelmingly aware of the fact that they DID NOT win the game by their own merits. It feels like you're about to start race, but then the umpire just walks up to you before even firing the starting pistol, gives you the trophy, and says "good job".

    To an honorable player, ganking is a sign of a lack of skill and a lack of integrity. A lack of a will to improve. A lack of confidence. Simply winning for the sake of winning IS NOT why they spent 60 dollars on the game. It's the same kind of logic used by fighting-game players- they constantly improve themselves, and seek improvement.

    Ganking offers no room FOR improvement. What it does is give you a crutch. And it is a crutch that most honorable players simply refuse to take, because they want to prove that their leg ISN'T broken. They want to prove that they are NOT crippled, and that they don't NEED help.

    Of course, you might be convinced to think that getting ganked would make things more exciting for them. It doesn't. Getting ganked is NEVER fun. It gives honorable players the impression that the people who are ganking them have no skill, and it makes them feel as though they've been denied a decent fight.
    And, again, you may think that Duels are where most honorable players find their homes. Well, Duels get very boring, very quickly. Dominion is fun as fu`ck, man. As is Elimination.

    You might read this and say that honorable players just want something to brag about. That they're egotists, and that they shouldn't play multiplayer if they want to be masochistic Dark-Souls-nuts.
    That may be true...

    But you can be damn sure that they aren't going to do that.

    As evidence that there are people who agree with this state of being, I shall present the words of what one forum-inhabiter had to say in response to this very article…

    XImohtephXX:
    Very well put and I'm happy to see someone make the distinction. I find far to many people either immediately throw insults and hypotheticals at any mention of honor and others see it as a foreign concept. SO I think this could very well be a great insight to the mindset of those that practice what they preach. But the biggest shame I've seen in this community is all the backlash regarding honor has for the most part secluded this group (one I very much consider myself apart of) to the mode Duel. I see this daily when after multiple attempts to educate or provide understanding is met with disdain and ignorance and I find myself once again in Duel to save myself the aggravation. It is my heartfelt desire to see more of this type content and more of this community to become more vocal against the toxicity and complacency that has gradually taken root. For people to appreciate the feeling that comes from meeting your opponent and refusing to underestimate or discredit before the first blows have even landed. To see that individual as an equal but also an obstacle. A lesson and test all at once.
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    You already made a topic on this. Didn't go so well the first time eh?
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    The closest to "honorable" I get is not constantly pushing people off ledges or just GB someone in a team fight so my teammate who worked for it can get the finisher.

    It's idiotic to watch a teammate die and possibly die yourself to the same guy in any team based mode.
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    The reason I fight with honour (in the sense I don't gank people) is because revenge is more likely going to get me and my ally killed than actually help them...
    In Elimination and Dominion, I love when my opponents try and gank me (with the exception of Conquerors and Valks) because I'm just going to get Revenge and then slaughter the lot of them.
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    I would like to share a story.

    Back in the closed beta, my friend and I often enjoyed brawls. We remained honorable, using our own skill to get through a match, win or lose.

    We suffered through many a-ganker, but our last match, hours before the beta closed, we found the golden gem. A truly honorable in the mythical proportions match. Our opponents were a Warden and Valk, while my friend and I worked our mains, Warden and Nobushi. This match was the best, by far, of any pvp match I have ever encountered. We used voiceless agreement of emotes and game chat to choose who we wished to fight. The Warden often paired with me, while my friend took the Valk. These two were patient, controlled and, above all, honorable to ridiculous proportions.

    2 amazing games of brawl, 10 beautiful rounds. We each won one game on our own ability and merits.

    I yearn for a match like that to this day. I wish, I cross my fingers, I hope with every match I enter that I could meet another pair as those two.

    I hope, one day, that perhaps the honorable players can band together for more matches like these.
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    The error in your hypothesis lies within your concept of "ganking". But what is "ganking"? The relevant answer to that is it's your choice of word, with your made up definition, used as an arbitrary rule that the game has no knowledge of or care for. It's your story. Your narrative. Long story short, the only thing holding you back from victory, from enjoying the game, from playing the game as it's designed, is you. I understand you have feelings, and that your feelings are getting hurt. But the reason is you. Why appeal to everyone else to succumb to your feelings? They're busy playing the game. When you're ready to play the game, come play. If your feelings are being hurt, and you don't want to suffer those hurt feelings, then go play something else.

    It's really that simple.

    Hiding behind "Honor" is just the other crutch you get around on. Abandon your crutches. Strengthen those legs. Then you can walk freely on a solid pair of legs.
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    kweassa, you're speaking of Dominion. It's true that an honorable fighter would hinder the team. Most honorable fighters abandon the 'honorable' approach when playing this chaotic, ravaging mode. Duel is not even the subject, as it isn't really a team effort. Brawl, yes, we honorable ones get our britches in a twist when our ally, or our opponent's ally, steps in to deny a good fight. Skirmish is a tad of a gray area, as it is nearly as chaotic as Dominion. No, I would say the largest issue would be in Elimination, which is really 4v4 duels. Two opponents go head to head with the intent of one besting the other and moving on.

    So, I pose to you a scenario, if you play Elimination as well as dominion; your match has gone well, with 3/4ths of the competition downed already, would you step in on the last fight? Deny your temporary ally or friend means to improve himself? Or, to put it bluntly, take away his hard worked for rewards that you and so many others like yourself take away? That's what happens. Every time you bunch up and bring down one opponent between the four of you, you deny that last guy the full reward that he would have so richly gained himself. See, that's what really pisses me off. Every time some random player gangs up on my opponent, they deny me my gains. And no, getting a kill assist is not alright by me. Remember this, every time you go in saying 'all for the win': YOU deny the xp, YOU deny the steel. Instead of the rewards your ally would have gotten, YOU stepped in and took the final blow, giving them only a paltry sum for your 'help'. This, above all else in notions of honor, pisses me off. For you see, that is what ganking is; it's theft. You stole something that was worked for and was to be rightfully earned. So, the next time you're in a Brawl, or an Elimination, think a moment about what you're about to do.

    And you know, that's what honor truly is. It's not about vain glory, or ego-petting, or even as a code of conduct. It's respecting player growth; be it xp or learning the timing for that parry, that combo, it is so that we, the honorable ones, the ones who stand back and watch, can see growth.

    True, the win gives even more xp than the loss, but either way, everything past that comes to the performance of the individual. Those wonderful stats, I find, give lead to gankers; or if you prefer, thieves, who take away every one elses kill for their own glory win. In Dominion and Skirmish, I can forgive that. In Brawl and Elimination, I absolutely cannot.

    I, for one, would take death over any 'help' in Elimination and Brawl. If that hurts the team; well, tough, because your 'help' isn't any help at all. It's a tangling vine that trips me, leaves me in the dust and ends up killing me anyway. So, to every single ganker in Brawls and Eliminations; f'ck off with your sh't to Dominion and Skirmish, you'll be welcomed with open arms.

    Seriously, though, I'm not gonna give any complaint if I go into Dominion or Skirmish and get ganked or gank-assisted. That's the norm there. That's where gankers should be, in the chaos. In Brawls and Elimination, I will stand back from an allies fight, unless they call for my assistance - the call for help button is there for a reason, it's an invitation as well as an S.O.S. or marker. I would like to expect the same, but it is unlikely, for thieves are everywhere.
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    ho no not that again
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  9. #9
    Keep honor out of 4v4s.

    If you want to duel honorably, then there's a mode specifically for that, it's called Duel. Honestly I don't think it should even be a thing in Brawl. I would actually play Brawl if more people played it the way it's supposed to be played, which is proper 2v2.

    4v4 are modes specifically designed for team play. You have gear advantage and power ups, it's not designed for 1v1 fighting, so why force this play style on others? It doesn't make sense.
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    @kweassa1917

    For someone who keeps repeating that, 'honorable players aren't entitled to anything,' you seem to feel that you are entitled to an awful lot. Every post you write reeks of self-aggrandizement and is filled with your 'examples' of how the opinions of others are of less importance than your own. You really need to grow up and learn how to be a mature individual.


    TLDR: You come across as a real d-bag.
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