Peacekeeper Tournament Ban Discussion | Forums

[TheRevanchist27]

Both examples you cited are irrelevant to the argument. They both require a high amount of skill to win those games. The PK was banned because it took a significantly less amount of skill in order to achieve the same results as someone using a different character.

and what sort of empirical evidence do we have to suggest that it took any less skill than the PK's contemporaries?

The correct answer is that there isn't any objective, unbiased, and factual based evidence. The only thing you have going for you right now is that players who won tournaments used her as their preferred character and those incidences being circumstantial evidence appeals to your confirmation bias.

[darksavior1977]

I voted for, but only because there is a legitimate exploit with the PK canceling her zone attack while in revenge to produce a very fast, very damaging repeatable attack. This is perceived to be unintended and until fixed, makes sense that the PK is banned from any serious competitive play.

[SAVAGE_CABBAGE1]

and what sort of empirical evidence do we have to suggest that it took any less skill than the PK's contemporaries?

The correct answer is that there isn't any objective, unbiased, and factual based evidence. The only thing you have going for you right now is that players who won tournaments used her as their preferred character and those incidences being circumstantial evidence appeals to your confirmation bias.

She is obviously faster with high damaging lights and a zone that is faster than the human reaction time. Against slower characters, with a slow guard switch, the hits are almost guaranteed.

[Alustar.exe]

The title of this thread should read: troll bait topic- more baseless arguments that are in no way going to effect your play online"
So what if they ban PK in pseudo important tournaments that less than 50% of the player base are even involved in. I'm still enjoying my game.

[TheRevanchist27]

I voted for, but only because there is a legitimate exploit with the PK canceling her zone attack while in revenge to produce a very fast, very damaging repeatable attack. This is perceived to be unintended and until fixed, makes sense that the PK is banned from any serious competitive play.

"Perceived to be unintended" isn't the same as actually unintended. It's able to be canceled for a reason, and that reason is based on it being a two part attack. While some might see it as exploity, one can very easily anticipate it coming and just block right to prevent further damage.

She is obviously faster with high damaging lights and a zone that is faster than the human reaction time. Against slower characters, with a slow guard switch, the hits are almost guaranteed.

Well ****, I didn't know that, I guess I must be some kind of computer/man hybrid with supernatural reaction times, because I block that **** all day, every day.

FYI, her light attacks are no more damaging than the Orochi or the Valkyries. You're just salty.

[SAVAGE_CABBAGE1]

"Perceived to be unintended" isn't the same as actually unintended. It's able to be canceled for a reason, and that reason is based on it being a two part attack. While some might see it as exploity, one can very easily anticipate it coming and just block right to prevent further damage.



Well ****, I didn't know that, I guess I must be some kind of computer/man hybrid with supernatural reaction times, because I block that **** all day, every day.

FYI, her light attacks are no more damaging than the Orochi or the Valkyries. You're just salty.

If I can find the table that proves my point, I will send it in chat. However here is a chart showing human reaction time:
http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/...ime/statistics

Now a 9 frame attack would be slightly less that 333 milliseconds. Input delay varies between console, and T.V. With some having terrible delay(As much as 160 MS, which is garbage) but as little as 10 MS. Next you must also account for the zone indicator glitch, which may take all slow guard change heroes out of the running, with everyone else possibly as well. And If you combine all of these, it can be impossible to react to.

Edit: She does have the same damage as the orochi, but not valk, valk does less. However the PK still has the highest dps out of all the assassins at least, due to her attacks being faster.
Edit 2: Turns out the Zerker may have higher due t his slow overhead heavy, which does 55 damage, but is very slow.

[Alustar.exe]

So more hypothetical scenarios involving immaculate players capable of simultaneously blocking every attack whole attaching from every angle?

You all do realize the entire argument for the PK ban centers around her zone attack during revenge? I've even seen a post link a video that is set in a 4v4 match with gear stats and group fights.

In short you are justifying eliminating a character option from 1v1 tourney duels based off of scenarios involving 4v4 groups.

Because, you know balance and ****?
Lol if you want to know what's ruining games it's that ****ty pseudo -MLG mindset.

[Zhantay]

So more hypothetical scenarios involving immaculate players capable of simultaneously blocking every attack whole attaching from every angle?

You all do realize the entire argument for the PK ban centers around her zone attack during revenge? I've even seen a post link a video that is set in a 4v4 match with gear stats and group fights.

In short you are justifying eliminating a character option from 1v1 tourney duels based off of scenarios involving 4v4 groups.

Because, you know balance and ****?
Lol if you want to know what's ruining games it's that ****ty pseudo -MLG mindset.

You know you can get Revenge mode in 1v1's right? If the game last long enough with players blocking and parrying enough moves, one will get revenge mode before the other and win solely off of revenge mode being active is 1v1 you can't even turn revenge mode off.

[Alustar.exe]

You know you can get Revenge mode in 1v1's right? If the game last long enough with players blocking and parrying enough moves, one will get revenge mode before the other and win solely off of revenge mode being active is 1v1 you can't even turn revenge mode off.

Again hypothetical situation in which you are dumb enough to continually attack against a hypothetical opponent who will block every hit and wait to revenge. Also no gear scores, so exactly how is it you can cheese that?
You're not making your point more valid, you are just making yorself look more pathet. All you are doing is wildly grasping at anything you can to back up the claim of something you don't like bieing op.

[SAVAGE_CABBAGE1]

So more hypothetical scenarios involving immaculate players capable of simultaneously blocking every attack whole attaching from every angle?

You all do realize the entire argument for the PK ban centers around her zone attack during revenge? I've even seen a post link a video that is set in a 4v4 match with gear stats and group fights.

In short you are justifying eliminating a character option from 1v1 tourney duels based off of scenarios involving 4v4 groups.

Because, you know balance and ****?
Lol if you want to know what's ruining games it's that ****ty pseudo -MLG mindset.

I thought the ban centered around her being to quick for console fps, especially her zone.