Peacekeeper Tournament Ban Discussion | Forums

[That_guy44]

Peacekeeper is the new meta knight.

[Felis_Menari]

See the problem is that Peacekeeper is not overpowered, theres just a bunch of people that expect to be fine trying to attack without blocking. Its extremely easy to beat peacekeeper if you know how to block, considering PK has no unblockables to counter an extreme defense.

Yeah...things don't work out that way as a LB on consoles; the slow guard switch speed can get you killed.

[kili31]

The problem I see with banning Pk is that once you start with banning one class, you probably won't just stop there.
So if PK really gets banned we can already start placing bets on which class is next: Warlord, Warden, or Valkyrie none of which should have big troubles fighting with a PK imo
Warlord just has to keep up his shield, the uninterruptible attacks also help greatly
Warden has the zone and top attacks plus that ridiculous shoulder bash into gb
And Valkyrie just annihilates PK unless the Valkyrie is a low skill player
I'm saying all this as a rep 9 PK main, so I think I have a little idea of what I'm talking about. Yes, PK is good but the low HP and Stamina make every mistake you make heavily punished

[Netcode_err_404]

A Pk that have problem with this is a balanced PK .... but if you know how to press dodge then ..its a free GB

Many people don't know LB flip spam is 100% counterable by a single dodge.

Unlike conqus and wardens he has high recovery time, and that means he can be 100% GB

Wardens and conquerors even if they fail their bash, they can istantly GBC or block.

Working as intended.

However I agree these pathetic spam attempts to stunlock your opponents need to be fixed.

Especially conqs and wardens because their vortex deals massive damage, and LB only can have a free light with literally 0 damage.

[Supercool5150]

Will be interesting to see what gets banned after they remove Peacekeepers. Presumably when some other class wins too much in the absence of Peacekeepers, an MLG forum user will have a tantrum and demand that one gets banned too. Looking forward to Raider only tournaments

And the Patriots are no longer allowed in the playoffs because they are OP. The UCONN women's basketball team has won 111 straight. Ban them from the NCAA tourney. This banning of classes is ridiculous.

[Prophit618]

What also shouldn't be spammable is the PK ZA. That garbage has got to go. Her second light should be brought in line with the first, as well. With those two changes, perhaps the PK will be fine. At that point I'd day it's time to look at other characters for nerfs/buffs, if any are needed...*cough* LB *cough*.

This all the way. With how broken the ZA is right now, combined with revenge gear and the slower FPS of consoles, I can maybe see why people would want to keep PK from tourney. I don't know a way to fix the problem console users might have with light attack spamming (lord knows on PC it doesn't win you fights, it loses them), but PKs ZA needs fixing immediately.

This coming from a Rep 13 PK who refuses to use such a broken attack.

[default91]

My console doesn't run this game at 30 FPS (Playstation 4). As far as PC vs. Console, you simply have tournaments where you DO NOT cross them up, in other words, PC vs PC, Console vs. Console. PRESTO! Problem solved because nobody has a "small" advantage simply because of the platform. PCs WILL ALWAYS be superior to consoles in graphics and processing capabilities.

The answer is CERTAINLY NOT to ban the Peacekeeper citing "Overpowered" when that is simply NOT the case. UNDER PROCESSING is the problem, not the PK being "overpowered".

1) PS4 runs this game at 30 fps (yes, even your Playstation 4).

2) The issue with PK on consoles at 30 fps isn't about crossing PC and Consoles in tournaments (which is not possible), but about how the response window for the defender vs a PK is too narrow at 30 fps vs 60 fps or higher on PC.

[SAVAGE_CABBAGE1]

Will be interesting to see what gets banned after they remove Peacekeepers. Presumably when some other class wins too much in the absence of Peacekeepers, an MLG forum user will have a tantrum and demand that one gets banned too. Looking forward to Raider only tournaments

And the Patriots are no longer allowed in the playoffs because they are OP. The UCONN women's basketball team has won 111 straight. Ban them from the NCAA tourney. This banning of classes is ridiculous.

Both examples you cited are irrelevant to the argument. They both require a high amount of skill to win those games. The PK was banned because it took a significantly less amount of skill in order to achieve the same results as someone using a different character.

[suboptiml]

Will be interesting to see what gets banned after they remove Peacekeepers. Presumably when some other class wins too much in the absence of Peacekeepers, an MLG forum user will have a tantrum and demand that one gets banned too. Looking forward to Raider only tournaments

And the Patriots are no longer allowed in the playoffs because they are OP. The UCONN women's basketball team has won 111 straight. Ban them from the NCAA tourney. This banning of classes is ridiculous.

Probably no one. No other class enjoys being top of the food chain in speed, damage and maneuverability like the PK. Other classes may be OP because of specific abilities, sequences, etc. PK is OP because she gets to have top damage, top attack speed and top maneuverability. She takes what is supposed to be a somewhat slower paced, more methodical fighting game about mind-gaming and out-thinking your opponent with some need for reflexes, and turns it into a pure twitch experience. One that is literally impossible to react to on console, and easily cheesed on PC by spamming stance changes. Hell, most people say even on PC they have to guess when the ZA is coming as it's impossible to react to there. As with the PK's second light (which doesn't even require the first actually making contact).

Speed of attack and damage output is king here. Add in the ability to outright avoid being hit better than anyone else, and it's a God-Emperor combination. PK enjoys superiority in all those areas. Which turns the game into not who outthinks and outplays their opponent, and not even a measure of who has better reactions (unless it's PK vs PK, say hello tournament ban), but simply an ongoing test of the reflexes of the PK's opponent and their ability to adjust to a hud indicator that for many is often nigh impossible to react to. Which is why so many find her so aggravating to fight period. You likely didn't get beat by being outthought or outplayed or mind-gamed . You got beat because your reflexes are only X fast when they needed to be X+1. Which leads to nearly everyone not maining PK having zero remorse about tossing her *** off ledges or into spikes in any and all situations.

And there's a good argument to be made that football would be a lot better off if the Patriots had enjoyed a banning or two from the playoffs because of their established record of systematic cheating that stretches back over the entire Belichick/Brady era.

[MrHappy715]

I havent had a problem dealing with peace keepers. I use Orochi as my main and just use stormrush, quick attacks, block break, heavy, and repeat to shut them down.