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[Plutonium Bug]

No. You MUST play the game to get the higher gear. If you're saying that someone who has played 3 days and didn't buy steel is at a disadvantage to someone who has played 3 days and did buy gear, then sure. The problem here is your no longer talking about pay to win. You're talking about income disparity.

Players will always be at different levels of play and fiscally as well. My son and two friends play for honor. So I will use the four of us as examples of why pay to win isn't an actual thing.

TripleH (29,000 a yr)
Warfar3 (29,000 a yr)
Ironwolf (44,000 a yr)
Plan B (84,000 a yr)

TripleH and Warfar3 both bought steel when the game came out. Both spent a good portion of their money on Champion Status and upgrades in non-gear related purchases like emotes and ornaments. Ironwolf and I did not buy anything. TripleH and Warfar3 both have lower gear scores than do Ironwolf and I. Why? Because they play less than we do. They are both single and have more disposable income than Ironwolf and I do so they could afford to drop money on steel. I however cannot afford to do that. So I didn't.

Just looking at my scenario you can see that the two players who paid money to get steel don't have an advantage. They're actually not even on par with myself of Ironwolf. Pay to win implies that all you have to do is spend money and you're on the same level as someone who plays consistently. It's a fallacy. You CANNOT pay to win this game. You must play.

That leads me to the root of your point. That people who spend money will be ahead of those who just grind it out. That's life. Get over it. People have more money than you do. People have more time than you do. Get over it. Life's not fair. In the end, you can buy all the best gear in the world, but when you're toe to toe with someone, the gear is going to only do so much for you. At some point skill is going to settle in and you're either good enough or you're not, because in the big picture, the first few reputations is the only point where gear is at its biggest disparity.

You are so wrong

If they bought steel and waited till rep 3 they will have 108

thanks

[DrinkinMyStella]

No. You MUST play the game to get the higher gear. If you're saying that someone who has played 3 days and didn't buy steel is at a disadvantage to someone who has played 3 days and did buy gear, then sure. The problem here is your no longer talking about pay to win. You're talking about income disparity.

Players will always be at different levels of play and fiscally as well. My son and two friends play for honor. So I will use the four of us as examples of why pay to win isn't an actual thing.

TripleH (29,000 a yr)
Warfar3 (29,000 a yr)
Ironwolf (44,000 a yr)
Plan B (84,000 a yr)

TripleH and Warfar3 both bought steel when the game came out. Both spent a good portion of their money on Champion Status and upgrades in non-gear related purchases like emotes and ornaments. Ironwolf and I did not buy anything. TripleH and Warfar3 both have lower gear scores than do Ironwolf and I. Why? Because they play less than we do. They are both single and have more disposable income than Ironwolf and I do so they could afford to drop money on steel. I however cannot afford to do that. So I didn't.

Just looking at my scenario you can see that the two players who paid money to get steel don't have an advantage. They're actually not even on par with myself of Ironwolf. Pay to win implies that all you have to do is spend money and you're on the same level as someone who plays consistently. It's a fallacy. You CANNOT pay to win this game. You must play.

That leads me to the root of your point. That people who spend money will be ahead of those who just grind it out. That's life. Get over it. People have more money than you do. People have more time than you do. Get over it. Life's not fair. In the end, you can buy all the best gear in the world, but when you're toe to toe with someone, the gear is going to only do so much for you. At some point skill is going to settle in and you're either good enough or you're not, because in the big picture, the first few reputations is the only point where gear is at its biggest disparity.

This has nothing to do with income, i have enough income to buy whatever i want in the game its about self control and wasting money for a game ill probably get bored of soon, i really don't know what income has to do with it. What im saying is do you have to pay in order to be good in 4v4 game because i guarantee that if i went into a dominion now with a level 1 zero gear score then i would get destroyed all the time. The quicker you get 108 the better you will do in 4v4 hence everyone moaning about gear score and MM.

[itsPlanB]

How can you seriously sit here and talk about Pay to Win as a viable component of the game and not think that income, or more specifically disposable income has nothing to do with it? You're saying you have the money to buy steel and you don't use it, and in the same breath you're saying that you don't have enough steel to get what you want and you're not happy about it. Ubisoft has provided you two options to correct that missing steel issue, but you don't like them. They are play more or pay more.

I have enough income to buy whatever i want in the game its about self control and wasting money for a game ill probably get bored of soon, i really don't know what income has to do with it.

No. You do not have to pay to get good. That's just silly. It implies that skill has nothing to do with the game and you're trying to trivialize that part of it. In fact you're only myopically looking at the 4v4 component of the game as a link to "Pay to Win" and the games design clearly shows that if you're looking for a balanced playing field the best place to do it is in the 1v1 Duel option. This is where you and everyone else who cries about the lack of gear seem to miss the mark. There are game modes where gear has zero bearing on the outcome of the game. You and others, including me, don't like to duel. So you're mad you're starting with a low level character and you're feeling out geared. Use strategy. It is after all a team based game. Stick near teammates. Use the environment as your friend. Just because you're low now doesn't mean that you're low forever. In fact, every characters max level is 30. That means that 1/6th of the levels are at a low gear while 5/6ths is at 108 or near it. If you're not a 108 at or around the 5th reputation you're doing it all wrong.

What im saying is do you have to pay in order to be good in 4v4 game because i guarantee that if i went into a dominion now with a level 1 zero gear score then i would get destroyed all the time. The quicker you get 108 the better you will do in 4v4 hence everyone moaning about gear score and MM.

Its always about the money! Lets never try to kid ourselves. There is a reason that they put Micro-Transactions in games and it's not because they're expecting to make no money off them. I'm just saying that one thing (Micro-Transactions) do not have anything to do with another (Pay to Win)

This has nothing to do with income

[itsPlanB]

Wait so they had to play to win. Interesting .... please explain to me again how pay to win exists in the game.

They played the game. They garnered skill while doing so. Once they reached a specific level, they then were able to get better gear. Your argument is flawed because you're just not able to understand that you ACTUALLY have to play to win.

You are so wrong

If they bought steel and waited till rep 3 they will have 108

thanks

[DrinkinMyStella]

How can you seriously sit here and talk about Pay to Win as a viable component of the game and not think that income, or more specifically disposable income has nothing to do with it? You're saying you have the money to buy steel and you don't use it, and in the same breath you're saying that you don't have enough steel to get what you want and you're not happy about it. Ubisoft has provided you two options to correct that missing steel issue, but you don't like them. They are play more or pay more.



No. You do not have to pay to get good. That's just silly. It implies that skill has nothing to do with the game and you're trying to trivialize that part of it. In fact you're only myopically looking at the 4v4 component of the game as a link to "Pay to Win" and the games design clearly shows that if you're looking for a balanced playing field the best place to do it is in the 1v1 Duel option. This is where you and everyone else who cries about the lack of gear seem to miss the mark. There are game modes where gear has zero bearing on the outcome of the game. You and others, including me, don't like to duel. So you're mad you're starting with a low level character and you're feeling out geared. Use strategy. It is after all a team based game. Stick near teammates. Use the environment as your friend. Just because you're low now doesn't mean that you're low forever. In fact, every characters max level is 30. That means that 1/6th of the levels are at a low gear while 5/6ths is at 108 or near it. If you're not a 108 at or around the 5th reputation you're doing it all wrong.


Its always about the money! Lets never try to kid ourselves. There is a reason that they put Micro-Transactions in games and it's not because they're expecting to make no money off them. I'm just saying that one thing (Micro-Transactions) do not have anything to do with another (Pay to Win)

You must be a ****, your the only one getting worked up. pull your nose out of ubisofts *** and grow a pair. Im not the only one saying this, it's plastered on every for honor forum, tons of youtube videos. I asked a question not for it to be turned into an argument, you being an adult could have answered it with a simple paragraph instead of making a thing out of it. You use a level 1 and ill use my paid for 108 main and see who wins every time 4v4

[DrinkinMyStella]

Wait so they had to play to win. Interesting .... please explain to me again how pay to win exists in the game.

They played the game. They garnered skill while doing so. Once they reached a specific level, they then were able to get better gear. Your argument is flawed because you're just not able to understand that you ACTUALLY have to play to win.

Do you know what pay to win means?

[Gray360UK]

You are so wrong

If they bought steel and waited till rep 3 they will have 108

thanks

I'm not sure you understand your own point.

Firstly, anyone who didn't buy Steel and waited till Rep 3 will also be able to have 108.

Secondly, you cannot 'wait' for Rep 3, you have to play for many hours to get to Rep 3.

Thirdly, it is this very act of playing for many hours to get to Rep 3 that means you MUST play to win.

You cannot install the game, pay some money, and win. You will be level 1 with a maximum gear score of 36.

Pay to win is when the maximum gear score I can reach is 108 through normal play and you can pay to have 208 gear. This is not a thing.
You can pay for 108 gear all you like, my 108 geared character, who got there without buying Steel, will still kick your arse

[Sh1kuren]

Just do daily quests and find more free time in your life. Nobody forces to buy costumes and emotes first.

[Vingrask]

It's all relative to how much time and effort you believe you need to put into this game. A lot of lazy people seem to believe a game that has been out for 4 weeks should have already provided them with enough Steel to have every single thing in the game unlocked. The game was clearly intended to be a long term project for the player, with DLCs that release what, every 3 months? So a year of play at least? And here we are, just one month in, and already people feel sad because they don't have every type of plant pot decoration it's possible to have on their Nobushis straw hat, and can't wave their sword in 5 different ways, only 2. Really .... ?

And this annoy me a lot.
I remember when I started play arcade games in 90's: we doesn't even had a command list! Everything had to be discovered everytime we back there. Today players have everything on their homes, great games to play for long time, and they want to cut the progress for what?

I don't understand. I played the same console games for years, without patch, without DLCs, trading with friends because nobody could afford different ones, and I have so great times and amazing memories...

[itsPlanB]

I'd ask you if YOU know what it means. It's not overly complicated.

You're assuming that by paying to get gear you're going to get better. You're not.
You're assuming that by purchasing gear you're going to get something sooner than someone else. You're not.
You're assuming that by playing to get to Reputation 3 and then buying gear that the players not getting any better during that time. They Are.
You're assuming that having a 108 gear score you're automatically better than everyone else you're playing against. You're not.

See there is the problem with your logic. It's flawed. Furthermore, Pay to Win implies that only those people who pay will win. I've provided an example where a player payed for steel and didn't win, but it didn't fit your model so you just tried to spin it. You've then tried to double down and point out how long it takes to get the elite armor, that has NOTHING to do with your skill.

You keep trying to throw more and more crap on the pile and then when it doesn't fit because I've shown why it's not the case you then try to switch to another straw-man argument. Players MUST PLAY TO WIN. It's that simple. You CANNOT get the best gear in the game without playing the game, and THAT is why the game is not PAY TO WIN. It's Play to win.

Do you know what pay to win means?