Shugoki's Demon grab is broken | Forums

[Steelsoldier555]

Shugoki is the big tanky...well...tank of the game, but there are a lot of issues with him that characters exploit. Mainly Demon's Embrace, the fat sack of crap puts you on his shoulders and snaps your back and during this animation enemies can lay into you while on his back and while your on the ground making a guaranteed death. It is absolutely ridiculous because Demon's Embrace is EXTREMELY hard to dodge as most characters. They either need to take away the outside attack sources or allow the Shugoki to take heavy damage from his own teammates while in the process of Demon Embrace, leaving him vulnerable to all the heavy attacks the team unleashes while trying to kill the opponent on his shoulders. So now your Shugoki is low on health, you now risk killing him and the opponent to recover and kill YOU. This would even out the chances of the opponent to get back up and redeem himself. Players get off a successful guard break while the Shugoki sits nice and pretty next to them and they execute Demon's Embrace, even if the opponent counters the guard break he can't escape the Shugoki. This allows the other teammate to unleash a flurry of attacks and kill the opponent before they ever get back on the ground. Now creators of For Honor, explain how that is remotely fair

[Noxgrey]

I can fully agree to this, I recently had a match where the peacekeeper would constantly guard break with their shugoki friend right next them. Even if I countered the break I couldn't escape in time because that big man is just right there and instantly grabs me. Then the flurry of heavy and light attacks commences from the peacekeeper and I was dead before before the animation of being thrown off the big mans back even started. Something needs to be done about it.

[tonycawley69]

I do play as the fat man sometimes and it's one of my favourite moves but yes it is a bit too much. Thing is, he didn't really have much else going for him so if you reduce its effectiveness, what's he left with?

[Kiiyor]

the fat sack of crap puts you on his shoulders and snaps your back and during this animation enemies can lay into you while on his back and while your on the ground making a guaranteed death.

I main the fat man mostly for this exact reason in Dominion; it's a fantastic revenge neutralizer.

It warms my heart to see a Conqueror or Warlord shrugging off the attacks of an entire team, smugly confident in their ability to farm revenge in two or three hits, only to be unceremoniously hoisted up on a fat, sweaty shoulder before being beaten like a Meat Piñata™. I LIKE MY CONQUEROR MEAT TENDER, and the salt from the recently chiropracted just adds to the flavor. Bonus points if you hoist them after the triumphant revenge activation animation.

Shugobro a disabler, and revenge farmers hate that, in any form. I see people complaining about the Conqueror's shield charge, the Lawbringer's hilarious pancake flip, and even the Warlord's headbutt, simply because they are great tools for negating godmode, and dammit, what good is all this fancy revenge gear if you can't solo an entire team?

In 1v1, the Shug is merely competitive, where the embrace is only guaranteed after a wall throw, and a near suicidal gimmick outside that. In Dominion, he's like a morbidly obese land shark - you can deal with him if you pay attention to him, but if you ignore him, he gets a free meal.

[bramboforce]

Well in 1vmore players situation yu should run or be very careful and if you listen a little bit you can hear sound of demons embrace. In 1v1 situation you will be grabed only if you are ****ing dumb ****** or if he thrwos you to wall and then grabs you. Its easy to dodge i cant see why people have so much trouble with it.

[SaphironX]

Not only is it easy to dodge, it's the one move in the game that injures the user if he misses.

Just dodge to the side. That attack never hurts me, and when I miss, it's painful as hell.

Great attack if you can land it, easy to dodge or stop if you just take down the shield before you do a major attack.

If you do a big heavy attack and his shield is up, yes, you will get crushed. Don't do that thing.

[Simi_Xiamara_]

They need make it so your invulnerable to outside damage when in a shigoki bear hug and *maybe* while on the floor.

[XImohtephXX]

You must also be one of the people asking for LBs Long Arm to be nerfed as it does basically the same thing. Just like the Long Arm it is not easy to land and requires an opening usually only created in a 4v4 environment. In 1v1s it requires setup to even land and against a competent opponent the chances of that happening become slimmer and slimmer. So if that means hes relegated to a 4v4 powerhouse and sub-par in an actual fight then so be it. I would certainly not recommend taking away one of the few useful tools a character has. And lets be frank here if the enemy team is having the patience and forethought to set you up with a GB like you stated for their big brother to man handle you then chances are very very small of you actually walking away from the situation regardless.

[Simi_Xiamara_]

You must also be one of the people asking for LBs Long Arm to be nerfed as it does basically the same thing. Just like the Long Arm it is not easy to land and requires an opening usually only created in a 4v4 environment. In 1v1s it requires setup to even land and against a competent opponent the chances of that happening become slimmer and slimmer. So if that means hes relegated to a 4v4 powerhouse and sub-par in an actual fight then so be it. I would certainly not recommend taking away one of the few useful tools a character has. And lets be frank here if the enemy team is having the patience and forethought to set you up with a GB like you stated for their big brother to man handle you then chances are very very small of you actually walking away from the situation regardless.

Landing lb and shigoki bear hug takes no skill land if your not being looked but insta kills the person your doing it. Making your your opponent invulnerable while he is in the air won't hurt shigoki or lb 1v1 and in 4v4 fights it's cc+damage

[Kiiyor]

Landing lb and shigoki bear hug takes no skill land if your not being looked but insta kills the person your doing it. Making your your opponent invulnerable while he is in the air won't hurt shigoki or lb 1v1 and in 4v4 fights it's cc+damage

Neither the long arm or the hug instakill - unless the fat man is on less than one bar of health when he tries the hug.

Adding invincibility to the hoistee probably won't change things either. Most teammates don't attack while the enemy on a shoulder, as it dishes out team damage to shugobro too - or doesn't land at all if you're attacking from the opposite shoulder. The majority of players I meet wait for the drop to the ground before they unload, because you're far more guaranteed to land damage that way.