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    LepantoESP's Avatar Senior Member
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    Is Caduceus any good at all? Think it needs a huge buff

    Title says it all. When Caduceus was first announced it looked like a must-have item. Then on week 2 of the PTS it got severely altered, in the right direction IMO as I believe it should be a tool for SP users, but boy is it underwhelming right now.

    You are looking at a hilariously low heal rate of 600, 700 hits per second on a sustained rate (which is not achievable anyhow) meaning it's absolutely useless. IF it got a bump to, say, 3k-5k (in the correspondingly high SP build of course) it'd be relevant and useful, but right now you're better off running just about any other weapon as the talent is laughably bad. In a Legendary run you're getting hit for around 70k per shot (not even going to talk about shotguners or marksmen, I'm nice like that) so in one minute 40 seconds you'll be regenerating that damage with a HIGH skill power Caduceus build ... Yeah, not that impressive.

    Perhaps this could be looked into? The concept is rather nice. Hermes would be proud of you if you did improve upon this situation Massive
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    Most of the new exotic talents seem underwhelming and changing them was a waste of time imo
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    It is true that the healing effect is hardly noticable if at all..
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    Originally Posted by Swfc4eva1 Go to original post
    Most of the new exotic talents seem underwhelming and changing them was a waste of time imo
    True, true. There's some outlayers though.

    Cassidy is actually a fun weapon in a dual LS build and the Historian is OK, not OP but OK.

    The Hog is terrible, but that's because LMGs are a waste right now. The Pakhan, Midas ...

    Tenebrae is pitiful. It could be great, but those weak points have a gazzilion hit points in Legendary runs, so your PVE talent is wasted on the top-tier PVE activity ...

    I could go on, but I've got to go
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    Originally Posted by Swfc4eva1 Go to original post
    Most of the new exotic talents seem underwhelming and changing them was a waste of time imo
    Totally agree.

    the only one I have fun with is the Historian.
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    I just want it because,it will match my backpack..

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    Back in the day, caduceus gave you cooldown each time you landed a headshot. At that time, it was the best, maybe only, utility weapon in the game. It was still a piece of trash scar-l but it had that amazing talent. Apparently that talent is now for marksman rifles only, and the caduceus is just another worthless exotic.
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    Originally Posted by Swfc4eva1 Go to original post
    Most of the new exotic talents seem underwhelming and changing them was a waste of time imo
    Agreed. Just last night i got rid of every Exotic weapon i owned. The high end weapons I have all perform much better than any of the exotics that were sitting in my stash collecting dust.
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    Originally Posted by LepantoESP Go to original post
    Title says it all. When Caduceus was first announced it looked like a must-have item. Then on week 2 of the PTS it got severely altered, in the right direction IMO as I believe it should be a tool for SP users, but boy is it underwhelming right now.

    You are looking at a hilariously low heal rate of 600, 700 hits per second on a sustained rate (which is not achievable anyhow) meaning it's absolutely useless. IF it got a bump to, say, 3k-5k (in the correspondingly high SP build of course) it'd be relevant and useful, but right now you're better off running just about any other weapon as the talent is laughably bad. In a Legendary run you're getting hit for around 70k per shot (not even going to talk about shotguners or marksmen, I'm nice like that) so in one minute 40 seconds you'll be regenerating that damage with a HIGH skill power Caduceus build ... Yeah, not that impressive.

    Perhaps this could be looked into? The concept is rather nice. Hermes would be proud of you if you did improve upon this situation Massive
    If you use it on a proper skill build with 400k Skill power it's basically a second Support Station.
    You can get decent CHC, don't bother with extended mags unless you plan to run Pulse.
    You should be in the high 40%. You are getting about 10 shots out every second, so you are healing about 16k HP per second. Assuming all shots landed.

    EDIT: I wasn't aware the 0.2s delay applied to Caduceus. That's too long. I suspect that the reason why a lot of people find Cadeceus underwhelming is because they get crits in between the cooldowns, so the heal doesn't trigger. Since there is no way to guarantee that the Crits will land every other hit, it's best to either have very low CHC or very high CHC to make this gun consistent.
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    I put mine back in the stash. The healing is way too weak and it's also a very weak weapon in both PvE and PvP.
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